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Shame and Opportunity

By Marvin Duran Rodriguez - April 4, 2006 12:00 AM

I suspect that few Americans have given much thought to the way that we, on the southern side of the U.S./Mexican border, perceive the raging "immigration reform" debate. This difference in perceptions is, I believe, a barrier to the process of forging a true, long-term solution to illegal immigration.

From the U.S. perspective, the "immigration problem" is about control of sovereign borders and an economic cost/benefit analysis of undocumented labor, as well as other related issues. Moreover, the usually unspoken truth is that, most of the time you are talking about the "Mexican immigration problem." While I understand these concerns, I would like to put forth the perspective of law-abiding, passport-holding, middle-class Mexicans like me.

Down here, the usually unspoken truth is that the daily emigration northward is a source of deep national shame that the country we love does not provide conditions wherein much of the underclass can afford adequate educations, medical care or even sufficient nourishment for their families. It would be nice if your country understood, at least to some degree, what it means to us that, in a recent national poll conducted by El Universal, more than 45 percent of Mexicans surveyed agreed that their lives would be better if they lived in the U.S. For many millions of Mexicans, our dream is the "American dream" (and I do not use the word "American" as some Latino Americanos do in the hemispheric sense).

Few Americans seem to realize that the Mexican economy was on par with the United States until about 1820, when it began falling further and further behind. As Tyler Cowen, professor of economics at George Mason University and the Center for the Study of Public Choice, has pointed out, the reasons for this lagging are complex and not easily understood. It is easy, therefore, for Mexicans not trained in economics to blame our scarcity on your abundance -- even as more than four out of ten Mexicans admit that they would rather live among the "gringo capitalists." I include myself among them, and I live well.

It's painful for me, and impossible for many others, to acknowledge that your immigration problem starts several thousand miles away from the US-Mexico Border at Distrito Federal where our federal government is seated. This administration's current policies -- lobbying for temporary work permits, promoting amnesty programs, and defending the rights of illegal immigrants -- will not solve the real issues of social relegation and insecurity. Nevertheless, given the importance of the flow of dollars sent to Mexico by "migrantes" -- second only to the petroleum in terms of national industries according to our Secretaria de Economia -- it is probably inevitable.

I wish that Americans understood how much this inflow of capital has contributed to our emergence from near third-world status. With the exception of what Cowen calls "the disastrous 1980s," our growth rate has actually been higher than yours. We have been catching up and I hope, in fact, Cowen is right when he says the swelling of the Mexican middle class to about ten million families or 40 percent of all households, means that we "have turned the corner." Unfortunately, Cowen also points out that, unlike America, the Mexican economy has proved frustratingly fragile and far less able to rebound from financial disruptions.

This is my central concern, that a drastic reduction in income from immigrant laborers caused by "reform" policies might provide just such a disruption -- one that could plunge Mexico into a prolonged  and severe recession or even depression. This in turn could result in the replacement of America-friendly President Fox by a candidate more aligned with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Such events would be disasterous not just for us but for you. The motivation to cross the border for work would increase dramatically.

But the increased cultural strife between our two nations, as you try harder and harder to stop the flow of human capital, would be the far more serious problem. We, as well as you, were shocked at the burning of American flags at anti-reform demonstrations in Los Angeles by second generation Mexican American radicals who have learned to play the victim game so many other interest groups in the U.S. play.

Though it may be too late to bring rationality to the table, I would hope that President Bush and the American Congress understand that they need to involve our government in the immigration reform equation. Our politicians know how crucial remittances from your country are, and this gives you the leverage needed to convince the government of Mexico that it must make the structural changes, both in terms of anti-corruption measures and market reforms, that we need in order to join America as a true North American partner.

Marvin Duran Rodriguez is a Tijuana-based telecom executive and author of the book "Pecados cafetales," co-published by Editorial Existir and the XVII city council of Tijuana. He has also written for Bitacora Cultural and appears on Canal CONACULTA, a cable channel seen in both the U.S. and Mexico. Find more of his writing at Mexiconomics.


32 Comments

Shame and Opportunity
I find myself in substantial agreement with the author of this article. I think that President Bush' guest worker proposal also recognizes the complexities of this issue and the tender feelings that it raises on both sides. The rise of a Mexican Chavez would be catastrophic for both the United States and Mexico. Both countries should act sensibly so that a free flow of human capital continues and the Mexican economy continue to show the necessary growth. As an aside, perhaps Mexico could consider allowing Americans to purchase land in Mexico. Several years ago I was interested in buying property near San Felipe but was told I could only get a 99 year lease.

Cost of corruption
Keeping a corrupt government in power using US dollars funneled into Mexico will not stop the corruption.
If there is so much shame, why can it not be channeled into real reform?
And it must start at the bario level.
Maybe 10 million Mexicans, forced to return to Mexico and used to living by US standards will have the effect of instituting change in Mexico City.
Not much has changed in the Philippines and they have been operating guest worker programs for decades.

Let Mexico Keep it Problems.
It does not matter what condition in Mexico or any other country cause people to illigally enter the US, it is the job of the US government to secure the border and decide who enter the country. First make it difficult and costly to enter the country, then make it hard to find a job and get service. It have to be a two prong approach. Illegals should not have any protection of US law because they do not exist.

Fame and Shame is all the same
A Canadian and American wants to work in Mexico, Unless you buy property at a certain value, or you spend money in starting a business that Mexicans can't or aren't doing, you have to hire a Mexican attourney to represent you and every turn you make, there is a hand out, begging for your attention. If your just an ordinary average Joe, you can't work without a permit, permits granted only to those sponsored by a Mexican Co. They have to assign a person to escort you through the paper work. You can't get a license to drive without, proof of work papers. Bank accounts
are registered with Immigration and Hacienda (IRS of Mexico), you have no rights and anyone can complain about you and you will be investigated. Papers are checked yearly, expired papers, means deportation or more Money. All the locals know this and use this to extort you, from taxi drivers on up. Very unfair system, If the USA had a similar system you wouldnt be in this mess, They are very strict, your always reminded that you don't belong here. Worked in Mexico 15 years, I know. Also the hidden agenda is to kill you with numbers. America is fat and lazy, and they have come to takeover, picking on the fat guy, starts in the prisions and now in public. American Blacks better get off their butts cause Mexicans don't like blacks. If 15-20 million walked across any other border in the world it would be a declaration of war, ask Alberto Gonzales. Mexicans don't like Americans, canadians are lumped together WITH USA. They just want what you Americans have, and they will take it. Follow the money. If USA decided to stop letting the banks etc. send money to mexico, like other countries beleive, you made the money here and you spend the majority here, watch them turn violent, their real face will come out, now it's just in your face tatics

Needed - Mexican Capitalists
Great article Mr. Rodriguez! I completely agree with your analysis. I wonder if we can get Dr. Andrew Bernstein's book "The Capitalist Manifesto: The Historic, Economic and Philosophic Case For Laissez-Faire" translated into Spanish for distribution to the government officials of Mexico? This book should convince the officials of the philosophic necessity to establish freedom and individual rights, including property rights, as the foundation for creating a prosperous, capitalist nation. As you pointed out, this is the only, humane way to stop illegal immigration into the U.S. by making Mexico equally prosperous.

You can buy land in Mexico now
Due to recent changes in Mexican law, you can purchase land in Mexico as a gringo. If it is greater than 50km from the border, you can own it outright (assuming it's not ejito land). If it is within 50km of the ocean or the border you have to purchase it through a bank trust. Also, it can't be more than about 1/4 acre. If you wish to purchase more, you have to form a corporation. You maintain all rights of survivorship, and the ability to pass it along to your heirs. It's actually not a bad deal as the bank will represent you if you need them to. A few American banks are now also offering mortgages for Mexican properties, which will save you a lot of hassle and probably 10% in interest.
http://www.mexperience.com/property/prop_buying.htm#Mexican

Duffmandozen
How much do you own here! You will never own nothing here, the bank owns it in your name, Fox leaves, if the next president favors Chavez Castro and now Brazil Argentina, and Uraguay, Bolivia with Evo Morales the cocaine President all moving closer to Castro form of Communism with the help of China. America has left the laudry door open. Your money ,your property is ans always will be theirs. Exception, you own a Holel or Company that hires afew hundred or thousand employees and the'll kiss your feet. In the next 5 years most of these countries will be in bed with China.If that is true, the above USA would have bought Mexico a long time ago, when it was cheaper 1950's, you could have gotten a good deal, now you just get the illusion of a good deal. Don't hurt yourself, marry a Mexican and have a kid, just like they do to you.

there's plenty of fine Mexican capitalists...
They're just all on this side of the border. I know several of them. And if you ask them why they're here and not in Mexico, more often that not they will cite (in no particular order) excessive red tape in Mexico, corruption, and fear for the safety of their family. Or if they're female they'll talk about institutionalized male chauvinism cemented in place by the prevailing "machissmo" attitude. It's sad that a nation so rich in human and natural resources cannot seem to get it's act together on so many fronts. I do believe things are changing there for the better, but it's gonna take time...

Mexican capitalists
You guys are in dreamland, any educated Mexican, any Mexican that comes from money is educated outside of the country, those aren't the illegals crawling through. The mexicans that go to Boston colledge have their papers in order. The average everyday Mexican has a grade 6 education and doesn't like to read, and that can sometimes go all the way to the top, 8 months you'll have a new face to contend with, one that came from poverty. Reading Bernstein's book assumes a lot, just as the article, Rodriguez is painting a nice victum picture, give him a free Tshirt white and he'll demonstrate for anything. Castro does it with red T shirts, Mexico city they use white, all for show, hasn't changed anything. The American baklash comes next, all the spontaneous demonstrations, will confirnm the white and black extremists, people forget Americans are armed, and they will wait to see the whites of ourtheir eyes, the feeling sorry act doesn't make it. Tell them all. I say come back to Mexico and clean up the mess you left behind, don't bother other people in other countries for our misgivings, have some pride no matter how little you may have, stop going to America and do something here, stop kissing their butts.

11-15 million
Your a kind man. I want my fellow 11-15 million to come back and straighten out the mess here, not run to the gringos, but stand on our own feet, stop acting like a slave. I 'm tired of two things, one they do the job the Americans won't do, as a Mexican, how can I be proud, of me and you, the American who won't clean up after yourself, the obesity is shameful, shows no control over one self, what is here to be proud of. Americans, get off your fat behind, get back to work, and send the illegals back to clean up their own back yard, before they mess up yours. Truly.

re:
heh--I am actually married to a passport-carrying Mexican. We're workin' on the kid part.
There's plenty that can go wrong there still--there's also plenty that can go right. Kinda like anywhere.

I'm sure glad Mexico has an America-friendly President. . .
You wrote ""This is my central concern, that a drastic reduction in income from immigrant laborers caused by "reform" policies might provide just such a disruption -- one that could plunge Mexico into a prolonged and severe recession or even depression. This in turn could result in the replacement of America-friendly President Fox by a candidate more aligned with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro. Such events would be disasterous not just for us but for you. The motivation to cross the border for work would increase dramatically.""

I'm sure glad that Mexico has a competent America-friendly President. If, heaven forbid, that weren't the case, I imagine that hundreds of thousands of penniless uneducated refugees would be pouring across the US border each year in search of even menial work at any wages offered, and an America-unfriendly Mexican President might even encourage them.

The rest of your article made some sense, but the idea that Vicente Fox is America-friendly makes no sense at all. He's just a typical politician wanting to have his cake and eat it too.

The only solution to the US border situation is for the US to build a serious border fence system that makes it all but impossible to enter except via controlled points. Only then can a reasonable plan be made for how to regularize the status of the illegals now in the US, most of whom should be given green cards if wanted and limited time work permits if they desire to return to Mexico.

The persistent notion that the nation that built most of the Interstate Highway System in a dozen or so years can't quickly and effectively fence the border with Mexico is absurd.

duffmandulce
Well that's a kick in the pants, Mexico is great the land of opportunity, culture, natural environment, Sunshine, warm oceans, Ola to you and yours, there is always a place for you in Mexico, land of the poor but free.

Mexico exports its poverty
Mexico shame and concern isn't sufficient for the leadership or population to demand and make the changes necessry to correct Mexico's distorted economy. It will continue to export its poor to perserve it social and economic structure as long as the gringoes are stupid enough to accept Mexico's unwanted.

The question is who is more corrupt Mexico's leadership or America's?

SullyB
Maybe we can get the Mexican illegals to build the fence, wait, not until the rebild New Orleans. Pre-Fox is only Usa Friendly so the, usa doesn't stop the flow of money back to Mexico, Number 3 income, last year they said number two, some admit its number One, makes Fox look silly not to want illegals crossing and sending money to the Mexican families. Mexico has very little public assistance and so the Usa gets to baby sit, the enemy with in.

You can buy land
thanks for the update!

Corruption
Someone said Mexico had a GNP comparable to the US in 1820. Some would suggest that the loss of Texas and the completely immoral (position of US Grant who fought in that war)US invasion in 1848. But that is a cop out.

Mexico has failed to develop because it lacks the rule of law over personal behavior and over property. Let's face if Mexico is an enormous criminal enterprise that runs top to bottom.

I see 2 possible solutions
Option 1. Sentence every illegal alien we catch to 30 days hard labor of building a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific (60 days for second offense; 90 days for the 3rd). Give the same sentence to those who hire illegal aliens. Be like the rest of the world and shoot anyone who tries to cross the border at an unauthorized location (after the wall is complete, because you don't want to kill off your labor pool).

Option 2. Offer Mexico statehood. Add another star to our flag. Clean up the corruption and let the everyone prosper.

The second option is probably the most feasible as well as being the most humane and most consistant with our beliefs.

Mexican statehod is Definately NOT consistent with our beliefs.
Actually, opton 2 is very inconsistent with our beliefs. Americans expect and thus believe in the rule of law; Mexicans expect and thus believe in the rule of the bribe and extortion. There is a little bit of each in both countries. I am talking about predominant differences. Rather than clean up the corruption, that corruption will seep into every corner where Mexicans settle in the US. I could see it in the 70s when the criminal files of Mexicans vanished from the clerk’s office, and in judge’s rulings accepting patent lies. In the 2000s when, after default judgment was taken, handwritten answers would suddenly turn up in the clerk’s office, requiring another trial at which the defendant did not show. And of course there are the many newspaper stories documenting similar corruption. Remember how the Mafia brought our system of justice down in the 20s and 30, and even now, though in attenuated form (?). We are still fighting its remnants 100 years later. We will never stop fighting the massive corruption unlimited Mexicans in the US would bring.

Immigrants work for less and their kids are fatter
Actually, Americans will and do take most jobs that Mexicans do. Just not at the same pay. Just look at the guy who got no further than high school, thinking he could be a plumber, electrician, carpenter, mason, mechanic, etc., who now finds he must work for the same wages as a Mexican. Employers have been hiring people off the books since well before the 1970s to avoid paying payroll and income taxes, and union men working off the books to avoid taxes and union dies. As to stoop labor, when I was a boy high school kids worked on the truck farms planting, cultivating, and harvesting vegetables and in restaurants washing dishes and helping chefs. I did. Today’ skids work in MacDonald’s but I am sure would find field labor far too brutal for the pay.

As to how fat Americans are, have you looked at the Mexican immigrant school kids and their mothers? Too much corn oil, diet soda, and white flour, not enough movement.

Why they are poor
"The rot starts with government, but it afflicts the entire society. There’s no point investing in a business because the government will not protect you against thieves. (So you might as well become a thief yourself.) There’s no point in paying your phone bill because no court can make you pay. (So there’s no point being a phone company.) There’s no point setting up an import business because the customs officers will be the ones to benefit. (So the customs office is underfunded and looks even harder for bribes.) There’s no point getting an education because jobs are not handed out on merit. (And in any case, you can’t borrow money for school fees because the bank can’t collect on the loan.)"

http://www.reason.com/0603/fe.th.why.shtml

No Subject
Look a the following excerpt from the article:

"Few Americans seem to realize that the Mexican economy was on par with the United States until about 1820, when it began falling further and further behind. As Tyler Cowen, professor of economics at George Mason University and the Center for the Study of Public Choice, has pointed out, the reasons for this lagging are complex and not easily understood."

I can explain it and I understand it quite well. It is ethnic...it is cultural...it is racial. The US is a state born of European immigrants...white immigrants. To the extent that we become darker as a nation, we descend into the same condition as nations like Mexico. Why do Mexicans think they will have it better here, when they are responsible for the condition of their own nation?

It is true...Mexico is exporting its problems here. As long as we have cheap labor, the neo-con Right is A-OK with it. And in fact, the neocons I don't think have the best interests of white/European Christian America at heart, but seek to weaken the European Christian complexion of America. But a time will come, when the children, and children's children of these illegals help to bring about the same problems in the US that they helped create in Mexico originally.

Its an ethnic problem....that is the simple truth of it. And most don't have the balls to admit it. The strength of this nation is its racial, ethnic, and religious heritage....which WAS European.

Gene Mangrum
Nashville, TN

RE: Let Mexico Keep Its Problems
Look a the following excerpt from the article:

"Few Americans seem to realize that the Mexican economy was on par with the United States until about 1820, when it began falling further and further behind. As Tyler Cowen, professor of economics at George Mason University and the Center for the Study of Public Choice, has pointed out, the reasons for this lagging are complex and not easily understood."

I can explain it and I understand it quite well. It is ethnic...it is cultural...it is racial. The US is a state born of European immigrants...white immigrants. To the extent that we become darker as a nation, we descend into the same condition as nations like Mexico. Why do Mexicans think they will have it better here, when they are responsible for the condition of their own nation?

It is true...Mexico is exporting its problems here. As long as we have cheap labor, the neo-con Right is A-OK with it. And in fact, the neocons I don't think have the best interests of white/European Christian America at heart, but seek to weaken the European Christian complexion of America. But a time will come, when the children, and children's children of these illegals help to bring about the same problems in the US that they helped create in Mexico originally.

Its an ethnic problem....that is the simple truth of it. And most don't have the balls to admit it. The strength of this nation is its racial, ethnic, and religious heritage....which WAS European.

Gene Mangrum
Nashville, TN

Ideas Drive History, NOT Race or Religion
Gene Mangrum is totally wrong in ascribing British and American success to race and religion. If he had read Dr. Andrew Bernstein's brilliant new book "The Capitalist Manifesto: The Historic, Economic and Philosophic Case For Laissez-Faire" he would have learned that it was the PRINCIPLES adopted during the Scottish Enlightenment that led to the immense innovations and prosperity of the British and American Industrial Revolutions. If these PRINCIPLES of individual rights, reverence for science, rule of law, free trade, capitalism, etc. had gone to Mexico instead of America, we whites would all be sneaking across the border into their properous country. If Mexico now adopts these principles, they will match our prosperity in two or three generations.

Thanks, PRS
Thanks for clearing that up! If we all would only read Dr. Bernstein, whoever he is, we would understand. I guess he is the final word on understanding the differences in countries and cultures.
I'll drop the stuff about race, but I tend to agree with Mr. Mang. about the religion. That would be especially true if you define religion as the sum total of a person's or a culture's world-view. In that sense, perhaps even you would agree with that, in that those principles you mention - individual rights, respect for science, rule of law, free trade, etc., are generally thought to be an outgrowth of the Protestant Reformation of northern and western Europe.
Doubtless, someone will accuse me of drastic oversimplification. I would only point out that there are a great number of articles and books and "experts" that seek to explain histories and cultures and nations, and I am sure that neither Dr. Bernstein nor the Mexican economist nor the writer he quoted will be the last word.

Racial identity politics
Look....the fact is the Left (jewish left) promotes racial identity politics. Do a search on Google for "National Association of Black" or "National Association of Hispanic" or "National Association of Asian, Jewish, etc..." any other NON-white group. Look at the Ford, Pew, Carnigie, and other leftist dominated foundations funding these non-white groups. Look at the Jewish Leftist controlled media that is pushing non-white identity politics. The waving of the Mexican flag in these pro-immigration rallies. The Million Man March...the list goes on, and on, and on....

You think I'm anti-Semetic for mentioning the power of the Jewish Left, meanwhile you are quite comfortable talking about the Christian Right. You think I'm racist for pointing out the existence of all these non-white groups and the way the Jewish Left finances and promotes them....yet there is not ONE mainstream white Christian political group funded by any of these foundations or lauded by any media. So we have these ridiculous double standards: Jewish Left is taboo to discuss, but the Christian Right, bash away? Non-white identity politics, hey promote it and finance it? White identity politics? You better not even think about it? Well, these Orwellian double standards will not stand forever.

The fact is, immigration is AN ETHNIC PROBLEM!!! People just don't want to admit the obvious because of the cultural marxism (i.e. the politically incorrect term for "political correctness) surrounding the issue of race. Sooner or later, the white Christian middle class will cease unilateral disarmament in the de facto racial/ethnic cold war that the LEFT (not the Right) has foisted on us. White identity politics is inevitable...and I welcome it. And I for one have the nads to speak HONESTLY about it!! lol

Immigration is being used by the Left to make this country browner, because they believe (correctly I might add) that these non-whites will vote for the Democratic Party. Immigration is a RACIAL issue....its a blatant attempt by the Jewish Left to increase the size of the vote on the Left. Immigration amounts to nothing more than non-white identity politics being used to further the socialist/leftist agenda.

These double standards are crumbling all around...and I LOVE it. As good ole Abe Lincoln said....You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you just can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time.

Gene Mangrum
Nashville, TN

No Child Left Behind May Allow Assimilation - and Immigration
The sensible solution to illegal immigration is to stop it. Illegal immigrants will tend to drag Americans down for some time. We are unable to educate them on a par with the average American. The children of illegal immigrants will drop out of school early, perhaps the majority, especially the boys, functionally illiterate in reading and math, unable to hack it in college. Already 46% of American adults 16-64 are functionally illiterate, unable to fill out a job application without assistance. Of course, they will rage at the result, and we’ll have to placate them with watered down college degrees. Then the number of college graduates who are proficient readers, which has already dropped from 40% in 1993 to 31% today, will drop even further. They will be far less informed voters. How does enlarging the number and percent of functionally illiterate people and decreasing the number of proficient readers help America. We can’t even teach 5 out of 20 American boys to read well enough to get into college, and so female college graduates outnumber male graduates 134 to 100.

In short, illegal immigrants will dumb our population down because we do not know how to educate them adequately. Further, Mexican immigrants do not read, and seldom is there any reading material found in their homes other than bills and government communications in Spanish, although a few of the girls, perhaps 1 out of 20, do have computers. Whatever information they get is largely from Spanish language television.

Already China is sending their factories to Vietnam, Bangladesh, and India where the labor is cheaper than the up to $200 a month they now must pay Chinese.

From this standpoint, the most important factor in the immigration debate is cultural, as in Europe: the lack of adequate assimilation.
Right now, illegal immigrants are afraid to re-cross the border to Mexico for fear of the risks in getting back into the US illegally. Therein lies the solution: beef up the border and make it very difficult for illegal immigrants to return to Mexico or enter the US.
Leave those who commit no felonies in peace, but grant no amnesty.

Of course, illegal immigrants are desperate. America is hope to them. That’s why they work so hard, taking 2 and 3 jobs, to stay here and prosper. It is also why women desperately want to have a least one child born here who will automatically be a citizen.

Employers who break the law to get cheap labor drive wages down. If the business does not turn an adequate profit except with illegal labor, few will move the business to Mexico, China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, or India; or sell it and live off the invested profits, or start or buy a new business that doesn’t use illegal labor.

If the Bush No Child Left Behind initiative works well enough to get the children of Mexican immigrants, our blacks, and our males functionally literate in reading and math, then, and only then, can we consider more open immigration. We do know how to do that. Hire the best teachers and give them more money and freedom in the classroom. Banish the need for a teaching certificate, which guarantees not even reading and writing ability. Dump our failed schools of education responsible for the hobbling of our students, especially the males. Use phonics instead of look-say to teach reading. Use memorization and drill to teach math where needed. Get all junk food out of the schools (e.g., all sodas, sugars and artificial sweeteners, omega-6 oils and hydrogenated fats, and white rice and flour) and substitute vitamins, mineral, and omega-3 fatty acids and fresh meats, seafood, fruits, and vegetables. It is very hard to get proper nutrition from foods. Supplements are necessary. Scientific studies show that when used consistently, they increase IQ, memory, brain function, good behavior, and physical health and ability in general.

You cannot use junk methods, texts, teachers, curricula, and foods and expect anything but the junk we are now producing: 46% adult functional reading illiteracy and 47% adult math illiteracy rates, a decreasing 30% college graduate reading proficiency rate, a college population only 40% male, and 137 female college grads to every 100 male college grads. In these figures you see the triumph of the feminist agenda: promotion of females by stunting male reading ability via look-say reading methods. Now that’s real hate.

Stopping remittances would of course be a disaster to both countries, and very unfair, unwise, and un-American. We don’t stop any other group from sending remittances home. Our basic worries are cultural assimilation, not economics. If Mexicans assimilate like all prior groups, all well and good. All economic worries fade away. But their poor school performance to date bodes ill for that contingency, unless NCLB and the changes it engenders in the behavior of state laws, school administrators and policies can turn it around sufficiently.

shame and opportunity
as a member of the human race, of course i am compassionate to the misery and exploitation of the illegals that enter the u. s. illegaly every year.
i know about their suffering, their need to earn money to send back to their families in mexico, their longing for the american dream......i feel their pain.
however, as an american citizen, i am offended by the public displays of the mexican flags, while our ouwn american flags were being burned or otherwise desecrated, while anti american opionions were being shouted out, as though we have no rights or responsibilities as a government of laws, to defend our borders and security.
it is wrong to attempt to justify amnesty for up to 12 million.... i cant even believe that we let this number get so large!!,based on the premise that we cannot round up and deport so many people! then to further insult us in america, they who are in this country illegaly shout "we are not criminals or illegals". what? are they kidding? economics aside, opinions aside, if you enter this nation without the lawfully required and internationally accepted documentations, well you are committing criminal acts.
in the article, it was suggested that we the u. s. should work closely with the mexican govt. to help resolve this problem. i agree, the mexican govt should be held accountable for its actions regarding it's citizens illegally entering the u. s.
however, mr. fox's pro american leanings lol, have done nothing to restrain his people. in fact his govt. has actually provided maps and tips showing the weakest part of our border security so the mexicans can more easily enter our borders. factor in the usual corruption of the military and the federales working hand in hanf with not only human trafficers but the druglords as well and what we find is a cauldron of deceit, greed , corruption and death.
we have a internationally recognized right to protect and defend our nation's borders and its people and way of life.
it is quite telling that while mexico demands free travel across our borders for it's citizens, and amnesty for all of theirpeople who have entered our country, they are not willing to extend this same right to their neigbors in the countries that border mexico.
it is acceptable to mr fox that our nation provides full cival rights and protections to his people in our country illegally, as well as provide education and medical care to these same people, all paid for by this nation's taxpayers!
finally if we put it together in simple terms the illegals want all the rights and nome of the responsibilities concerning the proper avenues to enter our country legally, like millions of imigrants from hundreds of nations have done before. they want to break the law and then try to guilt us into rewarding them for their crimes.
one final thought, i am not a racist. i will not be one, just because someone says that i am , because i do not agree with this point of view. so save that rhetoric for the anti american demonstrators who believe foolishly that the entire southwestern united states some how still belongs to mexico! and save it for the corrupt govt. of mexico that allows its people to wallow in some of the worst poverty in the world,in spite of sitting on top of some of the world's largest oil reserves...hmmm, does that remind any one else of the same living conditions imposed on it's people by other o p e c nations say in the middle east?
oh, and by the way.. i might like the mexican govt. alittle bit more if it did not refuse to turn over to the u. s. the cop killers and murders and pedophiles and drug dealers that are walking about mexico as free people instead of being in our prisons where they belong.
thank you
mel

I read all these posts…
and I hear a lot from the right and left, some even far right and far left. "Shut them out", "No, they must be allowed to come at will", "We need the cheap labor", "They are causing poverty here".

All of this may be true, if viewed from a single high perch. In reality, none is the truth.

I liked the author's article, except for the plea to continue to let Mexicans flood into the U.S. While I like the guest worker program, security must come first.

I've spent time in Mexico and the country as a whole is racist and isolationist. I've lived with Mexican-Americans and Mexican illegals in San Diego and I found them friendly and hard working (for the most part). After seeing the demonstration in L.A. on TV I'm glad I no longer live down there; those aren't the people I knew 25 years ago.

Still, we do need the workers to some extent, but we also need to control the borders and know who is coming in. I believe we need to shut down the borders with fences and, if necessary, lethal force. Then, we need to begin jailing or instantly deporting all illegals (to h ell with governmental policy; take them to the border and dump them on the other side or put them on a plane and drop them back in their native country). As we are doing that we install a reasonable work visa and guest worker program. Last, we need to force Mexico to recipocate exactly law-for law so that Americans and other foreigners can live, work and own property with relative freedom in Mexico.

To me, do nothing is not an option. I agree with the author as well, we need to work with Mexico and make that country more open to foreigners.

anti-semetism
Given that the control you believe that Jews have does not, and never has existed anywhere outside of your fevered mind, the label of anti-semite, and total idiot are both well earned by your posts.

Anti-Semetism, the Jewish Left, and Immigration
Again...bashing the Christian Right is ok, but so much as mentioning the Jewish Left is taboo....well, not anymore...lol. Or at least, its becoming more mainstream to discuss the friggin obvious.

Claims of "anti-Semite" and "racist!" are losing their power....just ask Cynthia McKinney.

You just don't want to address the extent to which opposition to immigration is racially based. I for one, think there is nothing wrong with Caucasian America not wanting a darker America. You also don't want to address the extent to which the Jewish Left (and neo-con Jewish Right) is trying to help the darkening process along. If people just investigate for themselves (thank God!! for the internet), they will find out that extent.

It is a simple strategy. Dilute the voting power of the Christian/Caucasian Right with non-white identity politics and a flood of illegal aliens who are non-white. That is the goal of the Jewish Left. Simultaneously, they use thier media power to push gender warfare, age, class, and religious propaganda to SPLIT the white vote....consolidate the non-white vote, and split the white vote...THAT is the simple strategy. That has been the strategy for the last 40 years or more as a result of this insane legal and illegal immigration which the Jews have helped to bring about.

...people will take notice though. The truth always catches up to the lie...eventually.

Gene Mangrum
Nashville, TN

you can talk about the jewish left all you want
They most certainly exist.

Your paranoid claim that this jewish left runs the world is what marks you for a fool and a bigot.

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