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The Eternal Refugee

By Val MacQueen - May 17, 2006 12:00 AM

Some 14 years ago an elegant, striking-looking young Somali woman deplaned at Germany's Düsseldorf airport. In her luggage was an onward ticket to Canada, where she would be met by the man, a distant relative, her father was sending her to marry. She never boarded that flight to Canada. As she had planned all along, Ayaan Hirsi Ali scrapped the plane ticket and took the train to Amsterdam, where she threw herself on the mercy of the Dutch government and begged for asylum, pleading persecution in Somalia. Her story was so extraordinary and her act so brave that she was fast-tracked, over other Somali refugees.

As we now know, Hirsi Ali was the achiever's achiever. She became so skilled in Dutch as to find work as a translator. She also served as a social worker with immigrant Muslim women. She earned a Master's in Political Science. She quickly rose in public consciousness, both for her stunning looks and her outspoken apostasy. And for her opinion that Islam is a backward religion whose own Reformation is inevitable.

According to Christopher Hitchens, Ali was disturbed that the same radical Islam she said she had fled in Somalia, had preceded her among many Turkish, Moroccan and Indonesian immigrant communities. She was elected a Dutch MP and gained fame outside Holland, not just for being Holland's first black woman MP, but for the lucid, calm and knowledgeable nature of her arguments that Islam must adapt to today's world. She became friends with media personality and film maker Theo van Gogh, with whom she made a movie, Submission, which addresses the position of women in Islam. When Theo van Gogh was shot and stabbed to death as he rode his bike in a street in Amsterdam by an Islamic fundamentalist, a note was pinned to his dying chest with a dagger announcing that Hirsi Ali was next.

She was accorded round-the-clock security by the Dutch government and became, after Queen Beatrix, the most protected woman in Holland. She was moved into a specially reinforced apartment building. It was judged best that she not attend Parliament too often. She was unable to meet her constituents to listen to their concerns and be their advocate. She used her time in isolation to write Part 2 of Submission, feeling that she owed it to Theo van Gogh to finish the project. She also wrote a book, just published, The Caged Virgin. It is subtitled, An Emancipation Proclamation for Women and Islam.

She became a Dutch citizen. When she first stood for Parliament, Hirsi Ali confessed to the Dutch public that she had told some lies when she claimed asylum in Holland, saying she had massaged her story in order to fit the profile she knew would result in her being granted permission to stay. She became a successful and respected parliamentarian.

Then, after 14 years in Holland, quietly, on little cat feet, came the first chilling niggle of discontent with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Her neighbors in her reinforced apartment block filed a suit to get her evicted, claiming that her presence was a hazard to the rest of them. Despite being assured that the building was one of the most secure in the country, they won and she had to move out.

There were other, disconcerting, undercurrents of displeasure. That she had lied on her asylum application, which didn't seem to have been an issue at the time with the Dutch voters, who went ahead and elected her anyway, was brought up again by an opposition MP and wielded against her VVD co-party member, hardline Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk.

Although we don't know what Ali claimed on her asylum application, and we don't know which lies she openly admitted to the Dutch electorate, we know now that she didn't flee Somalia's civil strife. She had lived in three different countries before going to Holland, including for the 10 years preceding her asylum claim, in Kenya, where she had been accorded refugee status. Other Somalis who had been living as refugees in Kenya had been refused asylum in the Netherlands because Kenya is internationally regarded as a safe country.

She also misstated her age and she applied under a false name, although these transgressions have been generally known in Holland for years. And although details have yet to emerge, it is also being claimed, not least by the man involved, that she didn't bolt to escape going through with an arranged marriage. According to the man, they had actually married and stayed together for a week. According to him, as there has been no divorce, they are still married.

Despite most, if not all, of her false statements having been known and accepted in Holland, their revival was becoming a source of embarrassment to Verdonk, who is fighting a pitched battle to make requirements for immigrants to settle in Holland much more stringent. Lying on asylum application forms is itself reason for refusal to allow them in.

Verdonk, who is vying to become her party's leader, maintains that people who are found later to have lied on their applications should face immediate deportation. According to Radio Netherlands, Verdonk took "a controversial decision to send a teenage schoolgirl from Kosovo back to the place of her birth just weeks before she would have taken her final exams ... in the Netherlands. This makes it harder for her to try, if indeed she actually wanted to, to make an exception for Ms Hirsi Ali." And Hirsi Ali herself has always been a whole-hearted supporter of Verdonk's immigration policies.

Her remaining in Parliament, especially as a member of the conservative ruling party, became untenable for Hirsi Ali and for the party. Sadly, it was time to flee again.

Ali has recently completed a promotional tour for her book in the United States. Radio Netherlands is reporting that she has decided to move to the US. Radio Netherlands, quoting de Volkskrant, says she will be working for the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank based in Washington, DC.

Far from elevating Verdonk's status in Parliament and positioning her as a possible prime minister, the expulsion of Hirsi Ali has backfired and her approval rating has tanked. A seven-hour debate in Parliament has resulted in Verdonk being ordered by MPs of all parties to reconsider within six weeks whether Hirsi Ali is a Dutch citizen. They also ordered Verdonk to accelerate naturalisation for Hirsi Ali if it is found she is indeed not a citizen. 

It has also emerged that Hirsi Ali had already decided to resign from Parliament this coming September.

Val MacQueen is a TCS contributing writer.

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16 Comments

So Europe now is basically a muslim colony?
Muslims KILL Europeans at will.
Muslims RAPE EUROPEANS AT WILL. Look at the disaster unfolding in Sweden...much worse than what is occuring in Britain.
Muslims burn churches, synagogues, and Christian schools at will. Remember Holland Mr. Gulliver?
Muslims threaten national governments and embassies.
Muslims build mosques while churches are denied in islamic nations.
Muslim school childrens dietary requirements are acommodated at lunch to the neglect of European kids as they are all forced to eat from the same islamic menu. It is happening in Copenhagen.
Muslims burn suburban Paris while the government and army do nothing.
Piggybank gifts are removed at certain banks so as not to offend muslims.
A survey of British muslims shows 40% want sharia law OVER local laws.
Muslims pass ordinance in London to prevent British police using dogs in their homes because they believe dogs are filthy and will disgrace their islamic relics. These are the same people who marry their own cousins. Is this not the legal definition of incest? And they say dogs are filthy.
Now, an outspoken critic of islam is forced to leave on "immigration violations" Sure she broke the law, but this is really just another way to appease the islamic terrorists living in Europe.
Does anyone see a disturbing trend here?
Since when did these 18 million terrorists who are abusing the welfare system pay all the bills in Europe and decide what is good for Europe. This makes my skin peel and think again, democracy is being abused, exploited, and misrepresented at the expense of true citizens. When will the governments wake up or really when they will be replaced by people who will stop selling and destroying Europe to the darkness of islam. America can not afford to invade and liberate the continent a 3rd time this century because the "leaders" surrendered to this cultural invasion of slow assimilation and usurping of local laws.
DEMOCRACY AND ISLAM ARE ETERNALLY INCOMPATABLE AND NEEDS TO BE OUTLAWED IN THE WEST. How much more evidence do people need? I believe major sections of Europe will breakdown and become as Beirut with Christians warring against muslimis and IT CAN NOT COME TO THIS STAGE. Muslims must be shown the door and encouraged to return to their ancestral homelands as it seems they are always complaining and trying to force the host nation to adjust to their culture WHEN IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE REVERSE!
Europe wake up before you become Eurabia.

Great front page WSJ article on Hirsi Ali today as well
It seems Ms. Hirsi Ali is is the lump in the bed that won't allow Holland to roll over and lay supine for their soon-to-be new majority.

So, off she goes, just like the 78% of the Jewish population they turned over to the *****.

***** = The political party in Germany that started WWII
another TCS edit...

Dutch Treat
Why should be so surprised, here? The Dutch collaborated with the Nazi big time, to the extent of manning about 10
SS Divisions for the good of the cause.

Look at the birth rates in Europe: if you don't care enough to reproduce, why should you let a few Muslims disturb ones peace of mind?



Indonesia
The Dutch also had a vile reputation as the colonial power in Indonesia. The British were a fairly benign colonial power and the French were by and large OK, but the Dutch were rapacious and cruel.

Maybe Holland should not
give money to the largest muslim nation if they are allegedly so cruel and harsh. I think you have been victimized by islamic propaganda. The European nations and the USA were the biggest donors to Indonesia after the massive tidal wave while the muslim nation threw pennies. Tell me again who is cruel and heartless? Please dont forget that islamic rulers and Mohammed were responsible for millions of deaths over the centuries while spreading the "peaceful" cult of islam. You need to read books.

Don't understand your post
I am not talking about recent history and the tsunami. (Yes, America and all the European nations were the largest donors - being the richest countries - although I don't know where Holland came in the donor rating, but that is not relevant.)

Holland was the colonial power of Indonesia. Even today, upper middle class and higher class Indonesians speak Dutch as their second language. When it was colonised, starting in 1596, it was known as the Dutch East Indies and was set up by the Dutch East India Company in the 19th Century. There was a great deal of torture and abuse and the Indonesians were treated horribly harshly. The Dutch have a name as the worst, cruellest, most oppressive colonial power.

This has nothing to do with modern Islamic propaganda. These facts are well known to most people.

I am growing weary of repeating myself.
Yes, it is all relevant. You insult a generous nation that is giving money to a nation it allegedly violated. If it were truly evil, why would it give any money? Why would they have the urge to help? IF it were up to me I would never had given a penny. These same people were on my TV screen in 2001 cheering the attacks on the US. Do you understand now?

Who has given the Dutch the name as the worst and most oppressive colonial power...you or some islamic cab driver? I would not count that as a great resource. The Dutch, Swedes, Swiss, and Norwegians are among the most helpful and generous to every nation that has always been in trouble. This is the first time I ever heard Dutch people being called evil and cruel. Did you conveniently forget Indonesia could be run under the tender hands of the Taliban, Russia, or Iran. I could think of much crueler nations or groups to torture Indonesia than the Dutch. Your comments are truly offensive.

The facts you are referring to must be from the new group of politically correct morons who have come to call anything relating to white, European, or Christian to be pure evil and that statement is racist and offensive. I would love to see this world had Europe never colonised any areas of this planet. Europeans are the ones responsible for building harbors, railways, canals, irrigation canals, dams and the like. What were your friends doing at the time?

Sweeping generalisations abound
Well, well. This must win the prize for one of the most bigoted threads I've read outside a Hitler-worshipping far right site.
I presume the 'fears' are intentionally made to sound like a Holocaust against Europeans. (Are blacks and non-Muslim Asians included by the way?!)
Rape, murder and pillage?? Maybe all sentances should be prefixed with 'A tiny minority of ...' before describing what Muslims do eh? Then again you could say that about any nationality, race, religion e.g. Europeans/Americans ... kill blacks, Muslims, Jews, gays, Iraqis, Koreans, Kurds etc at will ...
As regards PC examples of petty rules such as withdrawl of piggy banks, nativity plays, they are usually enforced by authoritarian lefties who take it upon themselves to 'protect' minorities without bothering to ask the people they are patronising. No Muslim I have ever met would object to nativity plays being staged. Jesus is a prophet in their faith after all.
It is clear that two of the contributors share the same assumptions of the elite - all muslims can be reduced to a homogenous group that thinks and acts alike! What an absurdity! Would you do the same for white people everywhere? Of course not! I certainly have nothing in common with the first and last contributors!
As for 'heavywinter' - 18 million terrorists? What a juvenile, paranoid and ludicrous generalisation!!
'Europe wake up!' is suitably close to the call of your ideological bretheren. The BNP, of which you have implied support of on previous postings is well known as a white supremacist, Hitler-worshipping, anti-black, anti-Jewish fascist organisation. Either you choose to ignore this or you wish to hush up such embarrassing facts.
Your racism is evident from describing muslims as filth. (Marrying a cousin may not be everyone's cup of tea but it's not legally incest.)
Your previous contributions confirm it - you would refuse to give a penny to Indonesian victims of the tsunami because of a very few who allegedly cheered 9/11? Your tarnishing the many with the sins of a few betrays your incredible inhumanity!
Your sweeping generalisations are exactly the same as the anti-Western Islamic fundamentalist fruitcakes!
Regarding the actual article, I don't even think you read it if you think that deporting someone on immigration violations is a sop to Islamic terrorists rather than confirming a hardline anti-immigration stance! I don't know what your opinions are now that she's been granted citizenship!
Instead of being holed up in your bunker waiting for armageddon while posting ranting e-mails like a spoilt child why don't you get out and enjoy life?! You might actually learn something!

You are a GREAT apologist.
Did I say anything incorrect, false, or misleading? I am waiting for an answer? You definitely dont like what I said, but it remains the truth.
What tiny minority are you referring to today. There was nothing tiny on the news last November. You talk of Jesus, but why than did they desecrate his cross during the Crusades upon its capture if they have so much "respect" You need to read up on that item Mohammed. Did you marry your cousin, because biologically it is incest to marry a member of your own family. You might consider divorcing today.
Why is everything tiny to you. It is obvious talking to you is entertaining as waiting for paint to dry on the wall. If there are not 18 million terrorists in existence than why not has 1 of these good muslims come forth with any information at any time with information to forestall an attack on a western target? The British would want the same answer as I do regarding the subway bombing of last year. Oh, you will say "Nobody knew anything" Sure, and I am a NASA pilot. I'm waiting for an answer, but all you will say is "racism-racism" and all I am doing is saying the truth and please give me evidence to the contrary. You cant.
YOU are the one who is juvenile by simply denying reality, statistics, and islamic doctrine. Do you know what they do to people who do not convert when asked the first time? Do you know they have over 100 war verses in the toilet paper called the koran to kill and rape all non-muslims. You truly sound European and are the reason Europe is the mess it is today regarding islam.
Why dont you ask them if they do not like the western world, than why not simply leave and go home?
The only person bigoted here is YOU! When someone like me asks tough and honest questions and makes statements based on reality "You are racist" You are the hateful one who is against any traditional thinking from an American or European viewpoint. Why is it racism to defend a nation or culture? You are so slanted and perverse no argument can occur since you choose to blindly view only 1 side.
Islam is truly peaceful...just watch and wait for the next bombing to occur and ask yourself "Who am I kidding"

No Subject
Clearly your logic is as poor as your grammar e.g. 'I am waiting for an answer?' Is that a question or a statement? Logically, how can I answer your first sentence BEFORE you have posted it? Patience, patience!
Your attempts at abuse are truly infantile. My name isn't Mohammed. I am a white British atheist. I didn't marry my cousin. I am not and never have been married. What are the FACTS on which you base these statements? Also, if I'm as entertaining as waiting for paint to dry why do you reply? Is it supposed to upset me? If so, you're wasting your time.
Have you said anything incorrect, false or misleading? Of course, you have! Let's look at a few examples:
'Ethnic Brits have no rights' - Wrong and plain silly. Please provide evidence for your plea for victimhood.
'If you protest against mosques [in Britain] you will be arrested.' Wrong! Protests and objections to planning applications are permitted.
'Ask any Muslim anywhere what is to be the fate of all who do not wish to convert to Islam. DEATH.' I have just asked my (non-practising) Muslim ex-girlfriend and my Muslim friends. None believe this, as I already knew.
'[Muslims] believe in a moongod.' Truly bizarre! They believe in the same god! I don't know what a moongod is but I suspect you're attempting to 'prove' (as only you can) the superiority of one backward superstition over another!
You deny the charge of racism but you have called Muslims 'fleas' and 'filth', and support the BNP (led by a Holocaust-denying racist, formerly allied with Muslim fundamentalists!!). You also believe that only the West could have developed the rest of the world. Is that due to biology, perhaps?
You are a hypocrite because you are not averse to throwing the 'racist' label around yourself - without any evidence, of course.
For the record, I am a supporter of Enlightenment thinking (and the universalism that lies therein.) You support the irrational and particularist aspects of Western thought. There are many trains of Western thinking from Marxism and post-structuralism to romanticism and scientific racism. All are Western. You, however, believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you is anti-Western. Laughable!
I have no doubt that you hate Muslims. I also have no doubt that you hate my ex-girlfriend and her family, merely because they've been raised as Muslims.
The problem is you allow your prejudice to cloud your judgement. Your starting point is your hatred of ALL Muslims. This is then used to see every problem throughout history as being caused by Muslims. Consequently, your 'analysis' becomes ahistorical - so much so that you can flit between today and the Crusades in the same breath, judging ancient behaviour by today's standards!
Your views are merely 'black and white', 'good and evil', 'right and wrong'. It demonstrates a lack of experience and insight, and prevents any illumination of the development and trajectory of international politics or indeed anything! You don' take into account any of the nuances of national and regional politics, economic, social and political development and these countries' relationships with the outside world. In your world view, 7th century Arabia=Attaturk Turkey=the 'Revolutionary Women of Afghanistan=the Parisian suburbs=the Indian Communist Party=Iran!! Through your eyes nothing changes throughout history and the only constant is the presence of Islam and Muslims!
That is where it starts and ends, however. Rather than looking at what form Islam takes in each country in each specific period, and what differences there are and why, all you can grasp is MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS! 'Everything is fixed! There is no change! They're all the same! That's the way it always has been and always will be!' If this was true why has political Islam only been considered worthy of comment for the past 5 years rather than the last 1400??
Finally, there have been innumerable Muslims informing the authorities about extremists in their midst, hence the raids and arrests. It takes a gigantic leap of imagination to say that there 18 million terrorists! An IRA bomb in Belfast or London doesn't prove that every Irish man and woman is a terrorist!!

A plea for rationalism
Clearly your logic is as poor as your grammar e.g. "I am waiting for an answer?" Is that a question or a statement? Logically, how can I answer your first sentence BEFORE you have posted it? Patience, patience!
Your attempts at abuse are truly infantile. My name isn't Mohammed. I am a white British atheist. I didn't marry my cousin. I am not and never have been married. What are the FACTS on which you base these statements? Also, if I'm as entertaining as waiting for paint to dry why do you reply? Is it supposed to upset me? If so, you're wasting your time.
Have you said anything incorrect, false or misleading? Of course, you have! Let's look at a few examples:
"Ethnic Brits have no rights" - Wrong and plain silly. Please provide evidence for your plea for victimhood.
"If you protest against mosques [in Britain] you will be arrested." Wrong! Protests and objections to planning applications are permitted.
"Ask any Muslim anywhere what is to be the fate of all who do not wish to convert to Islam. DEATH." I have just asked my (non-practising) Muslim ex-girlfriend and my Muslim friends. None believe this, as I already knew.
"[Muslims] believe in a moongod." Truly bizarre! They believe in the same god! I don't know what a moongod is but I suspect you're attempting to 'prove' (as only you can) in the superiority of one backward superstition over another!
You deny the charge of racism but you have called Muslims 'fleas' and 'filth' and support the BNP (led by a Holocaust-denying racist, formerly allied with Muslim fundamentalists!!). You also believe that only the West could have developed the rest of the world. Is that due to biology, perhaps?
You are a hypocrite because you are not averse to throwing the 'racist' label around yourself - without any evidence, of course.
For the record, I am a supporter of Enlightenment thinking (and the universalism that lies therein.) You support the irrational and particularist aspects of Western thought. There are many trains of Western thinking from Marxism and post-structuralism to romanticism and scientific racism. All are Western. You, however, believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you is anti-Western. Laughable!
I have no doubt that you hate Muslims. I also have no doubt that you hate my ex-girlfriend and her family, merely because they've been raised as Muslims.
The problem is you allow your prejudice to cloud your judgement. Your starting point is your hatred of ALL Muslims. This is then used to see every problem throughout history as being caused by Muslims. Consequently, your 'analysis' becomes ahistorical - so much so that you can flit between today and the Crusades in the same breath, judging ancient behaviour by today's standards!
Your views are merely 'black and white', 'good and evil', 'right and wrong'. It demonstrates a lack of experience and insight, and prevents any illumination of the development and trajectory of international politics or indeed anything! You don't take into account any of the nuances of national and regional politics, economic, social and political development and these countries' relationships with the outside world. In your world view 7th century Arabia=Attaturk Turkey=the 'Revolutionary Women of Afghanistan'=the Parisian suburbs=the Indian Communist Party=Iran!! Through your eyes nothing changes throughout history and the only constant is the presence of Islam and Muslims!
That is where it starts and ends, however. Rather than looking at what form Islam takes in each country in each specific period, and what differences there are and why, all you can grasp is MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS, MUSLIMS! 'Everything is fixed! There is no change! They're all the same! That's the way it always has been and always will be!' If this was true why has political Islam only been considered worthy of comment for the past 5 years rather than the last 1400??
Finally, there have been innumerable Muslims informing the authorities about extremists in their midst, hence the raids and arrests. It takes a gigantic leap of imagination to say that there 18 million terrorists! An IRA bomb in Belfast or London doesn't prove that every Irish man and woman is a terrorist!!

I knew you were a European baboon. You stink of weakness.
Sorry, I dont have the time to write as perfect as you do. You obviously have more of an open schedule than me. This is a blog and NOT A COLLEGE PAPER SO FORGIVE MY CASUAL STYLE!! Does this matter or am I getting paid here on writing style? No.
You would be a fool to actually BELIEVE WHAT A MUSLIM SAYS ABOUT CONVERTING OR ANYTHING ELSE. What else do you believe that they say? Apparently everything. Do you actually believe that it was not muslims who attacked the TUBE recently. Maybe it was a CIA conspiracy you saw on the "Telly" I predicted everything about you without even seeing you. The way you excused, justified, and ranted about your mussie associations tipped me off that you could not be American. Again, you are an apologist for muslims. Everything that is European, Christian, American, is BAD, BAD, BAD.
Your thinking of ENLIGHTENMENT is a nice charade for denial and eternal submission. Did you ever think maybe you can be like me AND LIVE AS A REALIST?!? You are so TYPICALLY EUROPEAN IT SICKENS ME. You people always cover your eyes from the truth, engage in political erections, and attack common sense and everything traditional. What kind of future do you think you would have if the muslims ever took over Britain? You would be removed as quickly as a wart. If you are so enlightened than please try out Saudi Arabia or Iran for some months and tell me if you still have the same opinion.
I think my view of islam is realistic and no different than what they think of any non-muslim individual. Remember, they hated us since the invention of islam. DID YOU EVER BOTHER TO READ THE KORAN. I read a large chunk of it myself and had to stop due to its built in racism and perversion. 70 virgins in Heavan for all martyrs? I did not know that it was a brothel. This is the religion you side with and defend. You have no idea of God and the one they worship is as different as night from day. If they worshipped the true GOD they would not be trying to murder his chosen people in Israel today. Do you truly believe GOD would sanction or bless they attacks they carry out in the name of heaven? Most of what the koran and muslims say IS PURE BLASPHEMY. Those people you love do not exactly have a reputation of love or tolerance. God loves and gives humanity the CHOICE to believe or not to believe. Islam MUST BE ACCEPTED OR ELSE forfeit your life. Did you ever read books on European history....no. Did you know that the Moors and Turks killed all European prisoners after a lost battle who did not accept conversion to islam. Ask the Spaniards, Greeks, my people the Hungarians, Bulgars, and the others.
You bark of evidence so I must wonder...."Do you ever read the papers, watch the telly, or listen to a radio?" Is your head underground or kept in a hole? Keep denying the truth it will not change anything in this world.
You choose to simply deny the truth of muslims and islam and that is fine. You go ahead and cut your own throat, but you will not take the rest of us with you. Regarding your ex, did you know or bother to read that it is permitted and encouraged to lie to all non-believers of islam? YOU ARE CLASSIFIED AS A NON-BELIEVER so did you consider the POSSIBILITY that she might have just done that with your question?
I have looked at the history of islam since its inception and it indeed has been a VERY BLOODY EXPERIENCE. I just finished a book on Constantinople and its fall in 1453. Grim reading indeed, needless to say it was not a happy ending for Christians or Jews. Why do you so perversely hang on to and defend this cult of blood, slavery, sexism, and racism? Again, take my challenge and live for some months in a muslim nation and your ENLIGHTENMENT will be permanately darkened you blind nitwit.
Now please tell me WHERE AND WHEN HAS A MUSLIM TURNED IN ANOTHER MUSLIM TO FORESTALL AN ATTACK ON THE WEST? It would have been great for somebody in your surrender monkey of a nation which could have saved those 52 lives.
I BELIEVE it takes an irrational being as yourself to DENY REALITY, history, news, to deny that 18 million muslims have helped or would help had they been given the chance. I see you did not give me a concrete example of proof so I again see the perversion in your statement. Regarding the IRA Mr. Smallminded, there have been many Irish tipsters that informed London or Scotland Yard of impending attacks. Where were the islamic tipoffs...none to be seen.
You have truly offended me with your ignorance, denials, and ready acceptance of islamic lies so do not respond to me again. If you have the guts my suggestion would be to go get yourself the book called "The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam" and truly become informed about this demonic cult. This should impress you and your "ex", the author who wrote the book IS NOW IN HIDING FOR HIS LIFE AS HE HAS RECEIVED DOZENS OF DEATH THREATS HERE IN AMERICA. I guess your lady friend will deny that too, but that is to be expected, she is muslim. Peaceful religion indeed.

For the Dark Ages barbarian!
Baboon? Haha! Is that the best you can do? Who's a clever boy then?
An adequate use of language and whether something is a question or not I would have thought would be prequisites for blogging OR essays. When you have mastered the use of full stops, question marks etc then your points may be more intelligible. No matter, I can see English isn't your first language so I should be more considerate.
Maybe you should commit your ideas to cartoons instead since everything you say is like an ill-thought out caricature.
Examples of your stupidity are endless! "The way you excused, justified and ranted about your mussie associations tipped me off that you were European." Well, maybe the fact that I said "I am a white British atheist" was a bigger clue, you blind moronic eejit!! The last word of my quote should also give an idea that I DO NOT 'side' with any religion! DO YOU UNDERSTAND, HALFWIT?! I am 100% against ISLAM, JUDAISM and CHRISTIANITY and the rest of the superstitious clap-trap that you and your lame-brain friends in Al Qaeda follow. I am not, however, against individual Muslims, Jews and Christians. As for the Jews being the 'chosen people', what a cretinous and arrogant suggestion! Of course they aren't 'chosen'! God doesn't exist! We have no need for religion anymore. Get a grip on reality rather than fantasy! It's clearly a comfort blanket for you, though. I don't give a toss if you think the Koran is blasphemous. The Koran, the Torah and the Bible are the same mysoginistic, homophobic and racist nonesense in different bottles. There are countless examples, particularly in the Old Testament, of bizarre practises and extreme violence so the Koran hardly has a monopoly on horrific ideas. They were very different times then, however. All Muslims no more want to kill non-believers than all Christians have umpteen wives or make human sacrifices. If you find all this offensive, as you no doubt will, then develop a thicker skin and stop bleating, you baby! You can give abuse but you clearly can't take it!
Is there anything that is European, Christian or American that you consider to be wrong or bad, or is it all GOOD, GOOD, GOOD? As it happens I am anything but anti-American. I can oppose US foreign or domestic policy without hating individual Americans. I take people as they come and judge them on the content of their ideas, not where they come from. I realise that you won't be able to get your head round that but that's your problem!
I'm afraid you gave the game away with "I think my view of Islam is realistic and no different than what they think of any non-Muslim individual." You have been bleating about how EVERY Muslim would kill ANY non-Muslim given half the chance but now you confess that you think of them just as they (in your opinion) think of you. Clearly you have a psychopathic bloodlust. Were you bullied at school or do you just need a girlfriend?! Get a life and stop transferring your frustrations and social inadequacy onto people you haven't met but have just read about in one of your white pride rags!
I have NO intention of going to live in a Muslim country. I can't up sticks like you bourgeois types. I have friends who have lived in Turkey AND THEY ARE STILL ALIVE! AMAZING! I don't support ANY Middle Eastern regimes - secular or religious. I fully support the fighters for democracy, secularism and INDEPENDENCE against foreign domination! Capisce? No, I thought not!
You've never met a Muslim and it shows! All your slanted information comes from horror stories on the TV (Fox News, no doubt!), your KKK comics and self-masturbatory radio talk shows. Oh and those books about innocent peacenik hippy Christians being slain by nasty Muslims 600-900 years ago that you keep banging on about! Christians were guilty of horrendous crimes also but they were barbarous times, hence the name DARK AGES! The only people who who want to go back to that era are social degenerates - Islamic fundis and you!!The rest of us have moved on!
When did I say Muslims DIDN'T carry out 7/7? Did the voices in your head tell you? Of course Muslims did it! They were a bunch of losers whose regard for human life was obviously absent. In exactly the same way as your Christian mate, Timothy McVeigh. Good riddance to all of them!
Do you have mystical powers? How else can you come to the conclusion that my ex wants to kill me for not believing? I don't know why she didn't slit my throat in my sleep! She had plenty of chances. Surely she'd jump at the chance! Maybe she's in a sleeper cell?! When she was drinking alcohol she must have swapped her drink for coloured water that she kept in her bag! And she was snorting salt up her nose rather than coke! Ah, it's all become clear to me! The cheeky minx eh?! And you accuse me of conspiracy theories? That's chutzpah for you!
You clearly don't know what The Enlightenment was! I used a capital letter as a hint but English isn't your strongest subject is it? You disregard the intellectual and scientific motor for the emergence of capitalism! No pro-capitalist (especially TCS writers) would seek to debunk it. You'd rather live in the Dark Ages of pre-Enlightenment thought when feudalism, superstition and burning witches and heretics were the order of the day. That is what you have in common with the fundis - dogma! You need to read real books on philosophy and politics not idiots' guides to Islam. But then they might use words of two or more syllables so it'd be pointless.
If you honestly believe 4% of the population (the Muslims of Britain) would "take over Britain" then you are a deluded fantasist! Assuming that they all think alike (just as all Germans are anti-Semitic genocidal maniacs?!) - from a gay lad in Glasgow to an Abu Hamza follower - how would they establish an Islamic state? Mass hypnosis?? Grow up, loser!
As for the IRA, they prosecuted their war for about 30 years and retired militarily undefeated. This should tell you that the number of informers was negligible. And why was this? Because they developed a cell structure. this may come as a shock to you but if someone (whether an IRA volunteer or an Islamic terrorist) is planning an attack they don't run home and tell their friends and family of their plans. The fact that there has only been ONE bombing (unlike the hundreds of IRA ones) should tell you that planned attacks have been foiled. Oh and not to mention the recent trials and arrests! Do they not report these things in Crackerville, you bed-wetting barbarian?!
My friends and I are laughing ourselves silly at your crazed redneck pronouncements so keep them coming, Adolf!!

You MUST REFILL YOUR MEDICATION YOU LUNATIC.
1. I am an American in the Chicago region you idiot.
2.Everything in America or Europe was never claimed to be perfect, just the best option out there at this time.
3. AGAIN, for your bipolar mind....you are an atheist so how could I expect you to believe anything from the Bible. God believes in YOU, its a shame you dont believe in Him.
4. Millions of people live in prison, but is it somewhere you would want to stay. Turkey was a perfect example for your foolishness. Again, why dont you want to live in a muslim society IF you side so strongly with them. Is not that truly hypocrisy at its height?
5. Timothy McVeigh NEVER CLAIMED TO BE CHRISTIAN. He was anti-government who had no care for religions of any kind.
6. Again, who cares about my casual style of writing. Are we being graded by anybody here? No. You are a true failure of a wanker.
7. Just please give the muslims time as they outpopulate you Brits year to year and than you will not be laughing. Was anyone laughing when they were demonstrating outside the Danish embassies holding death threat signs? If you people are so brave why did not you hold counter-demonstrations against them? You people for some reason have lost your balls and will. They will outpopulate you and than outvote you. Unfortunately, it will not happen in your lifetime, but it will soon after.
8. Your muslim boyfriend did not kill you because he was not given orders to do so. If the local imam says "time for war against the British infidels" than kiss life goodbye. Was anybody laughing when the TUBE was bombed. Those were all local muslim rats that were 2nd generation and they still killed locals. You would be thinking much differently if you were there and suffered injuries.
9. Muslims are ALREADY CHANGING LAWS IN LONDON you liar. Did you forget that London police can no longer bring in dogs to sniff out bombs or weapons as that would desecrate their religious "relics"? Go verify that yourself with the local police. Sure, they are not changing any laws and all is OK. The voices in your head are lying to you.
10. Regarding the IRA, they have killed hundreds of Irish and British alike. Just give the muslims 2 or 3 more attacks and they will surpass anything the IRA has ever done. Muslims are not turning in other muslims. It is for the reason they are grossly inefficient with their communications that can easily be heard by local authorities so new attacks can be stopped.
11. YOU DONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS SO STOP LYING!!
12. Where is crackerville and what is your fixation with homosexuals, bedwetting problems, and women. Do you hate women you British, woman hating, anal retentive ****? I could just see you frothing at the mouth. You need to save your anger for the next islamic bombings on England and jump in a counter-demonstration when muslims are calling for a jihad against the western world, but you wont, you are a coward.

If numeracy is preferable to literacy ...
1. When did I say you weren't American?
2. For once, I agree! However, by and large it's the most wealthy and stable that can afford a 'demoratic infrastructure'. The interference in sovereign countries, whether by direct military occupation, or indirectly by political and economic interference/dominance, is the primary reason for the lack of democracy. Even those such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have always been too much the object of Great Power games to be truly independent and barely democratic. Hence why the US turned a blind eye to (and often encouraged) the sponsorship of political Islam as a counterweight to leftist and national liberation movements.
3. What on earth does bipolarity have to do with atheism?
So you believe in magic? Virgin births, the Immaculate Conception, resurrections, ascensions, parting of the seas, talking bushes, turning water into wine ...? And you think Muslims' beliefs are garbage?!? I suppose it's the basis of all your ideas - faith-based rather than evidence-based! That's why there's no point debating with you. Why have the inconvenience of facts when assertion will do?!
4.How is Turkey an example of my supposed foolishness? A secular state with a relgious party in government so tame and moderate the military (the real obstacle to democracy) can allow it into power! Persistently telling me to live in a Muslim country is plain stupidity - I don't know how many times I've said I can't! I wouldn't mind living in Turkey though.
5. Timothy McVeigh CLAIMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN! See his Time magazine interview!! The odd thing is you can differentiate between yourself and McVeigh (a fellow Christian) but you can't differentiate between ANY Muslims! That demonstrates the paucity of your arguments: deliberate one-sidedness!
6. A true failure of a wanker? What exactly is that? You mean I can't wank?!
7. Muslims outpopulating 'us Brits'? I take it you don't believe Muslims can be Brits. Legally they are, whether you like it or not. The political Islamic groups are against taking part in elections so remind me again how are they to take power, if I must indulge you in your hare-brained fantasies?! In the constituency where Muslims are a majority, a mixed-race Jewish/black woman was elected in 1997 and 2001. In 2005 a Scottish socialist was elected! Your argument thus falls on its arse ... again!
In response to the Danish embassy demos, much larger demos were organised by moderate muslims all over the country. Muslims also participated in the same square in demos against the 7/7 bombings.
8. My Muslim boyfriend? How mature of you! As I keep saying, 'Grow up!'
'As soon as the imam says "time for war ..."'? Your theory is once again based on no evidence! This is so tedious, I'm bored of responding!
9. They don't NEED dogs to sniff out bombs or weapons. much more sophisticated equipment is used. Even if what you say was true, it would be a tactic NOT a law!!
Voices in my head? Can you not think of terms of abuse for yourself or do you have to repeat mine?! The only laws that have been changing are the ones designed to restrict freedom!
10. I repeat, the Islamists have carried out ONE attack in 5 years! The IRA in ANY TWO year period killed more people(and sometimes 4-5 times as many in one year!) The two campaigns don't compare! I get the feeling you know nothing about the IRA as well.
Clearly, the bombers had no such probelms with their communications last year.
As for informers, an Egyptian police agent, Osama (he even has the same name!) Eldawoody and a Bengali agent were the informers in a trial in the last few days concerning a plot to blow up Herald Sq subway station in NY. Reda Hassaine was an Algerian born agent who informed on the GIA in Algeria and France then on radicals in London. Turkish secret service agents have infiltrated mosques and the Turkish Hezbollah, including killing its leader, Huseyin Veldoglu in January 2000. There are Saudi police actions, the massacres of thousands of Islamists in Syria, the bloody civil war in Algeria where the state conducted mass infiltration into the GIA, the suppression of the Muslim Brotherhood and allies in Egypt etc etc. And you say one Muslim would not inform on another?!? Farcical!
11. I don't have friends? Isn't that the sort of pathetic comment people say when they're at school? Maybe that's the reason you're not in Iraq killing as many Muslims as you can get your hands, just like your sick buddies in Haditha.
12. A fixation with homosexuals? Explain! As with reference to point 1, learn to read before embarrassing yourself. I can see no reason for your irrational hatred of ALL Muslims so I half-jokingly suggested you get yourself a girlfriend to nurse you back to health. You are clearly socially under-developed, since the very suggestion of Muslims sends you over the edge. As for me frothing at the mouth, I've been taking the p*** out of you the whole time, you fool!
I'm a coward? haha! Why the hell aren't you out there killing your supposed enemy now? Or did daddy get you in the National Guard?
For the record, I was part of an organisation that crushed the racist cockroaches (that you ally yourself with) on the streets of East London, Bradford, Manchester and elsewhere. We didn't do it by indiscriminately dropping bombs on innocent people but by face-to-face confrontations with firebombers and brick throwing thugs!

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