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Routine Evil

By Ralph Kinney Bennett - June 21, 2006 12:00 AM

There was an awful inevitability to what happened to those two American soldiers.

Did anyone believe for one moment that they would be treated with respect according to the Geneva Convention?

Only the fact that these fanatics have been on the run prevented a more spectacular staging of their deaths.

This brutal murder brings revulsion but not surprise.

This is the routine evil of those worse than beasts.

This is the routine evil that beheaded Daniel Pearl, and Nick Berg; that left Van Gogh dead on a street in Holland.

This is the routine evil that still wraps itself in the garb of a religion while leaving young students bound and shot beside their bus and innocent women and children blown to bits in the market place.

The routine evil that draws comfort from the ignorant maunderings of a Murtha or a Sheehan; that somehow escapes the diligent moral radar of Human Rights Watch.

The routine evil that finds shelter in partisan "talking points" about the war and the shameless babble of armchair thumbsuckers about "reciprocity" with Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

The routine evil of men with a vision of a world of subjugated women and mindless children, ignorant of all but blood and suicide and revenge.

This is the routine evil that dreams of cyanide gas in subways and thirsts for a nuclear weapon.

This is the routine evil that some still think can be embraced into civility, "brought into government," tamed away from its loathsome imperatives.

This is the routine evil that will not be ignored and must be exterminated.

Ralph Kinney Bennett is a TCS contributing editor.

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Maybe and Never
“This is the routine evil that will not be ignored…”
I am not confident that America is up to this challenge.

“…and must be exterminated.”
Only the extermination of the human race will finally remove human evil from this cosmos. Containing the impact of evil is a more realistic goal.

Making the difference
The US controls one of the many sides in the Iraq conflict. Maybe the US could distinguish itself from the other sides by being the one to respect Geneva. Recall that prisoners in Abu Graib have been tortured to death by Americans (there were fatalities, according to Pentagon reports).

> "This is the routine evil that will not be ignored and
> must be exterminated."

Exactly whom to you propose to exterminate? Maybe any Iraqi will do?

Mark: please do not claim that the US follows Geneva or deny that Iraqi prisoners died in Aby Graib. Feel free to call me ignorant and a typicl thoughtless liberal.

There is a Routine Stupidity
There is an awful inevitability to the discussions of what happened to those two American soldiers.

Did anyone believe for one moment that we wouldn’t be considered guilty for infrequent and immaterial breaches of the most exacting interpretations of the Geneva Convention?

Only the fact that the stupidity has been prevented from keeping these fanatics have been on the run prevented a more spectacular staging of their deaths. This defense of brutal murder by the American Left brings revulsion but not surprise.

This is the routine stupidity of those worse than fools (Neville Chamberlain and Jimmy Carter). This is the routine stupidity that excuses the beheading of Daniel Pearl, and Nick Berg; that was silent when Van Gogh was left dead on a street in Holland.

This is the routine stupidity that still wraps itself in the garb of a legitimate political philosophy while excusing young students bound and shot beside their bus and innocent women and children blown to bits in the market place.

The routine stupidity that is the ignorant maunderings of a Murtha or a Sheehan; that somehow escapes the diligent moral radar of Human Rights Watch.

The routine stupidity that finds shelter in partisan "talking points" about the war and the shameless babble of armchair thumbsuckers about "reciprocity" with Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo.

The routine stupidity of those who defend men with a vision of a world of subjugated women and mindless children, ignorant of all but blood and suicide and revenge.

This is the routine stupidity that is ignorant of dreams of cyanide gas in subways and thirsts for a nuclear weapon.
This is the routine stupidity that some still think evil can be embraced into civility, "brought into government," tamed away from its loathsome imperatives.

This is the routine stupidity called “the left”, “progressives” or other things that must be ignored and must be exterminated or we will all perish.

LG's difficulty with reality
That there have been prisoners who died while at Abu Grahb is not in dispute.
Your claim that these prisoners died because of torture is only supported by your imagination.

Care to come up with the tinies shred of information supporting your claim that the US does not follow the Geneva conventions? In one sense we don't, under the Geneva conventions, those held at Guantanamo, should have been shot on sight.

OK, you are a typical thoughtless liberal.

Where was the Geneva Convention on September 11th........
1. These partisan muslims attacked us first.
2. We were not in Iraq at the time.
3. We were not in Afghanistan at the time.
4. We always respected the Geneva protocols hence, the fraternity like conditions at Guantanamo. Would you rather be a US POW, or a resident in China, Iran, Russia, Turkey, or perhaps North Korea. I think you know my choice.
5. This war was declared on us and we were attacked first so let us not forget how a proper war is to be waged. If you and your left-wing ilk had been in charge during WW 1 and WW 2 we would still be fighting or stuck in a stalemate. There were no political niceties or correctness back than and that is a good thing for this nation. Just ask the dead of Berlin and Dresden where tens of thousands of CIVILIANS WERE INCINERATED. Today, you people cry for a partisan caught in civilian clothes waging war against western culture and values. Shame on you. I think I speak for any potential inmates when given a choice to be allegedly "abused", they will pick the club at Guantanamo under US control. People like you is why the muslims see us as faltering and fighting among ourselves. How many muslims do you see arguing ON OUR BEHALF. Where has been the condemnation from muslim leaders and nations on the butchereing of US soldiers IN UNIFORM. They received no respect or humane treatement. You are truly disgusting.

Down to their level
Instead of going medieval on them, why don't we just leave them in their f'd up medieval world. Their society isn't sufficiently advanced for democracy (some would argue ours isn't either). You can tell this because whenever they have an election they vote for their tribe or Hamas or the constitution says "Rule #1: Ye shall make no rule against Allah" When they're ready, we'll be there to help out. In the mean time, supporting secular but corrupt dictators earns more enemies than the oil is worth. Besides, the oil market is a world market now. Oil extracted from ANWAR would likely go to Asia. Whomever gets that Iraq oil just means they have to take less from the world market so the price is basically the same. It only means something to the particular private company that is doing the extraction, and I don't own one of those (wish I did, then I'd be invited to the White House).

WWII Evil
There was a time when an enemy beheaded its prisoners, like the Japanese did in WWII, Americans would get upset.
Even the democrats would not be happy.
Now, the democrats ask why did we make them so angry.

Moral equivalency??
How you could even try to find a moral equivalency between the murder and torture of these soldiers and the events- mostly media inventions or exagerations- at Abu Graib is unwarranted and sickening.

Routine Evil
Thanks Ralph. In light of these tragic deaths something that needed to be said was said very well!

Troll bait
LiberalTalkingPointsMan has not been up to defending his ravings lately. He just posts nonsense like this and runs off. That is how indefensible his statements are. At least he knows it.

The problem with this proposal
is that they don't stay in their f'd up medieval world.
They have a habit of sneaking out and blowing up people and buildings in our f'd up world.

LG is such an elitist
that he probably believes that his one post has answered every question and silenced every critic. So he just sees no need to waste his time revisiting this article.

How could they resist all the insane welfare.........
LINK cards, and medicaid benefits?? I see it every week in my local supermarket. They say...."America is so evil, we should destroy her...by the way...when will I get my food stamps from this infidel nation?"

Making the difference
"An ignorant and typically thoughtless liberal!" How apt!

Routine Evil
I agree--thanks for saying what many of us feel Ralph. Prayers for the families and friends of these soldiers

The Japanese were much more honerable
Although I hope there is a special hell for some of the Japanese, most of their soldiers were honorable. Case in point, the Kamakazi

They wore uniforms not mufti,
They attacked military targets, not civilians
They flew military planes with military markings, not hijacked airliners.
They were defending their God, not competing for virgins in the afterlife.
Their leaders lead the attacks, instead of staying in the safe area.

If I hear one more remark on the order of "Oh we must try to understand them..." I'm going to throw up.

Except for POWs
Whom they thought lower than animals.

Same old Baghdad Bob line from Leftist Troll
Maybe the world will understand that in the face of evil the Geneva Convention is a joke, worse those who call upon us to abide by it are bringing a knife to a gun fight.

History remembers who wins wars not those who play by the rules.

And this troll wants us to lose.

Lefty Troll has to attend his madrassa
He's a good dhimmie. That's why he hates the USA.

Sure took a lot of courage, Ralph
To take a verbal stand for good against evil. You tell 'em. Hope your A.C. is working in the study, and the chair is comfy.

amnesty international
Oh Great Mark,

Amnesty International (check their web site) has ample links to reliable claims that prisoners were tortured to death at Aby Graib. You can deny it like you deny global warming and evolution & whatever.

John McCain said as much in Senate hearing: if we torture them, G-d knows what will happen to our boys.

My work and living situation changes & I don't have access to the internet during the day.

What are we fighting against?
Super-- I find your comment to be the one displaying a "routine stupidity". Having read LG's comment pretty closely, I find nothing in it that excuses terrorism, defends brutal murder or justifies acts of barbarity.

Quite the contrary, in fact. It would appear to be you who describes the torturing to death of detainees held in custody as "infrequent and immaterial breaches of the most exacting interpretations of the Geneva Convention?"

At a minimum, 37 such cases have come to light. And while some of the people being tortured were very likely to have been insurgents, it is decidedly not the case that a single one of them was ever proven to have been an insurgent.

In fact a majority of detainees in general are released eventually without having been charged with any offense. At the time the Abu Ghraib excesses came to light, for example, some 43,000 detainees had been processed in that prison. Of that number only 700 had been indicted for any offense against the occupation forces.

Thus it would be wisest for our military to adopt a policy of humane treatment of arrestees who are in most cases likely to be put back on the street. One has to think about how they will describe their experiences to neighbors and to family and friends.

Your attitude reminds me of the worst of the notions that came out of Vietnam-- that it's okay to kill them all, and let God sort it out. To me, this makes us no better than Zarqawi's crew, now under new management. And I suspect many ordinary Iraqis might agree with me.

More routine stupidity by the King of Stupid!
Boy I haven't seen numbers thrown around which such gay abnadon since Minister Farakhan told us about the secrets of the Washington monument and the mothership.

Here we are treated to numbers with at least as much reliability and grounded in the same good common sense as the Calypso Great.

Its awfully funny to see someone whose combat experience consists of beating up grannies at corset sales lecturing anyone about the morality of combat.

Pray tell us again about your vast military experience and the time you put the quater in the slot and gunned that tank into the ranks of the enemy.

You have to understand the trolls point of view
USA=evil
Terrorists=saints

Amnesty International? What's wrong with quoting Saddam or Bin Laden
That's what I love about the Left. They can't differentiate between good and evil, one quote is as good as another.


I'm surprised you didn't quote Dan Rather. I can remember Amnesty wonderful work on behave of American POWs during Vietnam when they said A,ericans weren't being ill treated.

Yeah I believe them. I also believe Che was a saintly and good man.

man history is not taught very well in the US if you think that.
Ask the Countries that the japs invaded if they didn't attack civilians. Don't bring religion into this these people are not fighting for their religions. In fact some of the groups are secular and they are fighting each other as any other. I would the first poster while there is people who don't respect life there will be murder. Both sides are guilty of murder as in all armed conflicts but One side as systems in place to try to reduce it and punish transgressions. The Human rights groups are going to talk about the US more then the other side because the US will try to improve the other side won’t. But to say that democrates don’t think like this is stupid.

different policies
The policy of the terrorists is to torture and kill their prisoners; the policy of the western forces is generally to release them so that they can continue to fight agains them tomorrow. This is another example of 'fighing with one arm tied behind your back'. I think the Romans had the same problem with those troublesome Carthaginians. They didn't have to be PC in those days so they decided to deal with them in what I believe you call in English a 'punitive war of anihilation'. The Germans also, when they were still the main warrior race in europe, had a policy they called a 'Vernichtungsbefehl'. But nowadays western people have lost the stomach to really fight in such manner that they can actually win; this is why western civilization is bound to lose in the longer run.

Official Torture Procedure.
The method, horrible as it maybe, also has historical implications. Since the Time of Ancient Greece, one was dragged by horse, then Quartered, beheaded, and body-parts displayed at all four corners, North, East etc. The Islamics beleive that the soul is not perfect without the body, dismemberment is to keep you from the gates of Heaven and to leave your soul searching, never finding peace. The Catholic Church also had a formal torture that was taught delibrately, which also included Quartering, like an animal, which was considered without a soul. They not only want to hurt you now, but also in the here-after. Barbaric, the arrogance of ignorance, Islama wishes to revisit the 16th century, when they were at their global peak. Unfortunately this brings out the worst in all of us, gives us all the opportunity, to hate and want to kill, very contagious, potential to escalate is very high, each one of us can taste the violence in ourselves, if we only learn through pain, when will there be peace. My heart goes out to those very young Men and their families, and through my red eyes, I can taste the bitter bile of revenge. This is a worrisome time for all of us!

Lemuel the Plagiarist, Sure took no originality Lemuel
Hey nitwit, if your going to steal material, you ought not steal something as prominently spread about as Maudlin Murthas lousy lines about AC. What a dork.

Honor in killing! give me a break.
There was nothing Honorable about how the Japanese, slaughtered the Chinese, there is no honor in Killing. Mankinds collective consciousness, when it comes to killing each other, has not changed ever. We are still, collectively in the dark ages, killing has always been a science constantly updated, and yet the quartering of Humans, has been recorded for 8000 years. Any culture that has the philosophy of suicide, an honourable way out, or suicide bombings, Japanese or Arab, is a potentially dangerous culture, no regardes to Human life. You never gave yourself the life of birth, so you have no right to take something that was not yours to take, thou shall not steal, this includes your own life to.

Amnesty International
has no credibility, except with the lunatic left.

This is called an allusion, Mr. Heater
Glad your recognized it. And yes, I think the thought is a propos. Go tell the Marines Murtha served with what a wimp and softy he is.

Vernichtungsbefehl -- is that our mission now?
"The Germans also, when they were still the main warrior race in europe, had a policy they called a 'Vernichtungsbefehl'.

This mean 'destruction (or extermination) order,' and doesn't date from a long-ago past but from WWII. Should really that be our model?

Re: More routine stupidity by the King of Stupid!
Let's start with the vast military experience of the US Commander-in-Chief, shall we? I mean, he didn't exactly march off to Vietnam to dutifully fight the evil Vietcong, did he? No, he used every trick in the book to dodge the draft for as long as possible before using daddy's political connections to... defend the skies of Texas from those dastardly communists. Even then, he hardly turned up for duty!

And the veep? Equally cowardly. Indeed, he could give lessons in draft-dodging.

What about the war-monger in chief? (Rumsfeld). Better, but military service on a boat in the fifties certainly wasn't too dangerous and he certainly did not volunteer for patriotic service in Vietnam!

And these people had the gall (through proxies) to smear John Kerry during the previous election campaign, who did do his duty! If Bush and co were honourable men, they would have simply kept quiet.

But I digress.

The so-called insurgents (basically, common criminals with a vile Maoist penchant for murder and torture, given a 'cause' by the invasion of Iraq) are pure scum, nobody is denying that - no post here has denied that.

But to change hearts and minds in the Middle East to genuine democracy and all that should come with it (civil society, open government, etc) requires a higher standard of engagement than has been provided by the US government to SET A GOOD EXAMPLE.

Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and various pointless murders by Marines (that do pale into insignificance compared to the atrocities of so-called insurgents and there friends) have only undermined US influence and, ultimately, US policy and democracy globally.

This is important. Some time this century, China will equal or surpass the US in power and it's important that it acts on the international stage with the highest of standards, rather than its current cynical approach.

Is that the time? Gotta rush home to my bunker.....

Tell us Wayne what was your military service?
Now watch Wayne scuttle off to the Kos crazies corner when such nonsense is vommited. It always takes a craven idiot to post such nonsense, especially from one who has never served.


And there are just a few verification questions you should be able to answer as any vet can.

So don't let the door slam as you flee back to the looney Lefties spot.

Murtha's Marine Service
He was a rear area pogue who served less than a year in Nam and less than five years active duty. His job was to provide billets for the top brass and brief them about meal times and where you buy boodle.

This is what the Left calls heroic military service. Right on a par with Kerry and Gore.

Duh, how you you think we beat the Germans
By dropping apple pies on them fool?

Where's your bronze star, Jacko?
Stuff it. Murtha spent 37 years in the Marines, joining as an enlisted man, becoming a Paris Island DI, then an office, finally retiring as a colonel. He served in Korean and Vietnam, where he won a bronze star and two purple hearts. Spare me the Swiftboat fictions.

But sure, this doesn't compare to Cheney's service, or Rove's, does it?

Not by murdering prisoners.
But you're right -- our concentration camps were really inferior; didn't use gas, all the Japanese-Americans we interned there came out healthy. We completely blew that one, I guess. Fool.

Crap
Murtha spent less than five years on active service, and less than a year in Nam. I note you didn't refute one point but continue the meme that he's a hero. Tell us how a rear area pogue got the Bronze Star or was it like Kerry's?

Two purple hearts-you mean like Kerrys. By the way this hero was caught by the FBI in Abscam taking bribes.

While you're at it tell us where he fought?


By the way I've posted my record before and MOS,

What;s yours Jacko. Lets see where you served, your unit.
Time for you to scurry away before I ask any other questions that any vet knows.

Run, run, run away *******.

Where's your bronze star, Jacko?
Or do you have a crap star.

You're posting flat lies. He enlisted in the Marine in 1952, was an outstanding recruit who became a Parris Island drill instructor before going to officer candidate school in Quantico. He went into the reserve, came back to active service, volunteered for Vietnam, won a bronze star and two purple hearts.

>Tell us how a rear area pogue got the Bronze Star or was it like Kerry's?

Why don't you repeat lies about how it's phony? And tell us about your bronze star.

>By the way I've posted my record before and MOS,

So you won a bronze star?? Where? How? Or did you turn it down because people like Murtha were getting them.

Regarding my record: more like Rove than Murtha. But I'm not the one calling for blood.

ps - I'm not Jacko, Jaccko

What a fool
You think Americans didn't murder unarmed men during WWII? What are you ignorant or just stupid.

Hey Jacko, still got your ape?
How long did war hero serve in Vietnam? How did rear area pogue get the bronze star? Tell us how many VC he killed as a non combatant rear area pogie. By the way Jacko, I know what these terms mean because I did serve in combat which is more than you can say. Again he has purple hearts, like Kerry's? Kerry had three and didn't serve a day in hospital. I note Murtha doesn't draw disability related to wounds. Why is that ace?

I note you didn['t post your service, could it be because you were in diapewrs or were too busy avoiding the draft or in most likihood cause you'd never serve because the military doesn't accept low grade morons.

Yeah I see your servioce, like Murtha it imitates Kerry's and Gore.

There is a name for shits like you. Run away little shitbird and don't ever claim you served you lowlife.

Where's your bronze star, Jacko?
You think the medals wern't earned? Take it up with the Marines.
I posted my record: where's your bronze star.

>Run away little shitbird and don't ever claim you served you lowlife.

Another wet fart from TCS's smelliest *******. Get Mark to fill it for you; that's what you live for.

In the meantime, why don't you go back to muttering "res ipsa loquitur? "

In prisons?
on the field, sure. in prisons, no. In concentration camps, absolutely not. But your kind of fascist jerk thinks we were fighting on the wrong side in WWII anyway.

Where did little Jacko serve? Or Eric shows why his NAMBLA's # one recruiter
Probably in the pen. But not the military that's why he can't answer a simple question.

Nor can he defend another demo war hero who has questionable medals. Maybe he got his purple hearts as the clown who decided to juggle hand grenades or maybe he got it in the Kerry fashion.

Since you have no answer and can't respond except to demonstrate what a shitbird you are tell us more about your vast militray experience Jacko, was it playing with your little ape or little boys?

Ah I should have know its Eric the king of the trolls and noted VC hero.

Hi Eric
Whats the matter afraid too many people tired of your ranting and raving and had to assume another fake ID again.

Hey Eric tell us about your Bronze Star
Exactly how many anti war rallies did it take for you to get posted in Hanoi's hall of fame along with Kerry?

Cmom Eric tell us about your 180
Do we get to see it like war hero Kerry's?

Eric & Murtha's Vietna Adventure
Or how they got magic hats and managed to get bronze stars without seeing the enemy. Just like Kerry.


Whats the matter Eric ashamed of that vaunted military service with Nambla?

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