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Unfrozen Caveman Voter

By Josh Manchester - August 16, 2006 12:00 AM

How many times recently have you been in virtually any social situation -- business lunch, gathering with family, summer barbecue with friends -- and when the war has come up in conversation, one of the following statements is made:

"It's sad, but it's going to take another attack before we really fight this war like we need to."

"I just don't think we're going to win until we mobilize the whole nation against the enemy."

"I really don't care whether the Middle East is democratic or not, I just want to win the war."

And so forth.

What you are witnessing in these moments is a distinct vein in the American spirit that is currently unrepresented by either major party or any single national politician.

We might call this part of the American psychology the Unfrozen Caveman Voter. Remember Phil Hartman's hilarious skit on Saturday Night Live of the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer? Hartman's character addressed a jury thus:

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! ... Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. But there is one thing I do know -- when a man like my client slips and falls on a sidewalk in front of a public library, then he is entitled to no less than two million in compensatory damages, and two million in punitive damages. Thank you."

No better monologue could capture the spirit of a large portion of America today.

Hey, all you elected politicians and media types and academics! I'm just an average guy. I wake up and I go to work and I have a family. I don't know much about Shi'ites, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Salafists, Imams, Mullahs, root causes, or the desire for democracy in the Muslim world or whatever. My mind can grasp these concepts just fine, the fact of the matter is I just don't care. I don't know much about all that stuff, but there is one thing I do know: when a bunch of "death-to-america" chanting yahoos want to destroy our culture, attack our cities, down our aircraft, and build nuclear weapons, then they are entitled to the business end of a B52.

Everywhere we see evidence of the Unfrozen Caveman Voter, and the evidence says that he is getting slowly thawed out. Bill Quick, a well-regarded blogger in California, recently wrote a post excoriating George Bush for not following through with the war's prosecution, asking why we allow two of Bush's "most dangerous regimes," North Korea and Iran, to possess "the world's most dangerous weapons." Tigerhawk, another blogger who writes a great deal about military strategy, recently asked, "What will it take to militarize the West?"

I recently had dinner with a friend, another Marine, who said, "You know, at their basic core, Americans are Type-A, aggressive personalities who want nothing more than to just kick a**!" He's right, and not the first to notice this. General George Patton, in his harangues to his troops, frequently pointed out how different they were from those of other countries:

"Many of you have in your veins German and Italian blood. But remember that these ancestors of yours so loved freedom that they gave up home and country to cross the ocean in search of liberty. The ancestors of the people we shall kill lacked the courage to make such a sacrifice and remained slaves."

And then this,

"We Americans are a competitive race ... We love to win. In this next fight, you are entering the greatest sporting competition of all times. You are competing with Americans and with Allies for the greatest prize of all -- victory."

The Unfrozen Caveman Voter is begging to be released. But at the moment, he is being misread by both national parties, and especially the Democrats. Sure, some people oppose the invasion of Iraq or simply hate George Bush, period. And sure, some people distrust all Muslims and are racists. But the vast majority of America falls in the middle of these extremes. However they think of it now, they thought confronting Iraq was a fine idea, and wish it had gone better, but that doesn't translate at all into defeatism, as it is defined, refined and reiterated in the press. On the contrary, they'd like to see more action, more activity, a seizure of the initiative in some way. Using defensive policework and intelligence measures to catch bad guys before they blow up more aircraft are all fine and well, but the Unfrozen Caveman Voter wants very badly to see more offensive measures too.

Don't caricature this attitude with a desire for more invasions, more nation-building, more regime-change, random airstrikes, or wanton slaughter. It's hard to say just what policy exactly might satisfy the caveman demographic. But really, the Unfrozen Caveman Voter intuits a large portion of the art of warfare: opportunities must be created and then exploited -- or if they come by luck, they must be exploited all the same. And finally, the use of extreme and otherwise intolerable violence is necessary if used in the service of victory.

It's not healthy in our republic for such a large slice of the populace to be unrepresented by any politician. But that is the case today. Soon enough it will change. Just remember what happened to Phil Hartman's Caveman Lawyer:

"Thank you! Thank you very much, thank you! First of all, let me say how happy I am to be your nominee for the United States Senate! . . . I don't really understand your Congress. . . because, as I said during the campaign - I'm just a caveman! I fell on some ice, and later got thawed out by scientists. But there is one thing I do know - we must do everything in our power to lower the Capital Gains Tax. Thank you!"

Josh Manchester is a TCS Daily contributing writer. His blog is The Adventures of Chester (



Cavemen understand failure
And that's the issue, and it isn't complicated. Rumsfeld has blown it.

It's not the fault of the media, or the ACLU, or the U.N. And cavemen know it as well as everyone else.

Cavemen understand failure
I think you are right, Lemuel, that they understand failure, but I don't think the whole caveman group blames Rumsfeld and you would. They just know that things are going as well as they'd like in general.

A relevant letter
Calls from the Bush administration and European leaders for Israel to restrain itself are acts of moral treason in the war of Western civilization against the barbarism of Islamic totalitarians.

Given that the objective of the Islamic totalitarians is to destroy, or subjugate, all of us in the Western world, Western leaders should be cheering Israel's offensive against them, not demanding restraint.

Any attempt to deter Israel from taking further military action, precisely when it is attempting to obliterate Hezbollah and remove it as a threat, is an unspeakable act of moral depravity.

If Western civilization is to fall, it will not be because of the strength of the Islamic totalitarians, but because of acts of moral weakness and cowardice, such as the calls for restraint we now hear coming from Washington and many European capitals.

~David Holcberg
August 9, 2006

Responsible leadership for unfrozen Cavemen
America contains a lot of unfrozen cavemen. Islamofacist atrocities like 9/11 revolt them. They are not adverse to taking extremely violent measures to abate the problem. Should an American government call upon the country to go to war, they will whole heartedly support that war with their sons and their taxes (blood and treasure). Once such a war is started, it cannot be stopped.
So far, responsible US leadership has shied away from driving the country over the cliff of all out war with Islamofacism. This reluctance has several roots. US leadership is Christian, and Christianity holds killing to be a sin. No one knows how terrible the colateral damage and casualities from such a war will be. Past experience (the Cold War) says the winning strategy is to hold on and wait for the superiority of the Anglosphere culture and economy to demoralize the enemy.
Most of the unreformed cavemen voters share these viewpoints.

Why Not?
Anyone who knows preppies knows POTUS and his dad as Mark 1 Mod. 0 WASP wimps. They were raised on a vapid Christianity, which has no higher value than 'making nice'.

If one person, who had born arms for the country and suggested a direct plan of action, even if flawed would break the log jam.

used to be
Americans used to be competitive and winners, but now that they're so soft, and spoilt rotten and decadent they're turning into losers; first against the soviets, then against the north koreans and chinese, then re n. vietnam, then in lebanon when they blew up the barracks, then somalia, etc. They've lost the stomach to fight anymore, thus they die by suicide rather than by murder.

The leaders are defeatists, the average person is not.
There is a real and gigantic diconnect between the way that people in Washington view this war and the way that people in the street view this war. I have had the opportunity to do a lot of travel recently, and everywhere I have been, in bars and stores across the country, I have heard the same thing: What is it going to take to make the idiots in Washington take this War on Terror seriously? Our leaders, not public opinion, are the problem. Public opinion is, if anything, substantially more bloodthirsty than that of our leaders.

Why the disconnect? A few years back, I had the opportunity to work for a Senator in their Washington office. I learned quite a disturbing bit doing so.

First, Washington is an incestuous little community. People who work for a Senator one day will end up working for the Party apparatus the next day, and a PAC or lobbying group the day after that. There is very little turnover in the sense that the same people are either on the Hill or on K Street suckling at the public teat for decades at a time. They talk to the same people, they live in the same areas and they all work in the same six-block radius. This means that new ideas or new ways of doing things are extremely rare.

Second, and quite possibly because of the first, the big papers in the District of Colombia are the Washington Post and the New York Times. Despite their proven track record of lies, distortions and bias, the stories in these two papers are the focus of reality for both Republicans and Democrats. Given the obviously anti-American stance of both papers, is it any wonder that our leaders are backpedaling on the war and seeking diplomacy when most Americans are asking for blood?

Third, the interaction between the politicians and the press is the same interaction I talked about in the last two paragraphs. They are the same people. They all hang out together, they all eat, drink and sleep in the same places, and they all attend the same events.

We will not see any real or abrupt change in either the government or its policies until we see one of two things:

1) A revolution. (Highly unlikely.)
2) A nuclear weapon that vaporizes either the reporters and politicians in Washington, or New York. (This is increasingly more likely.)
3) A massive shift in who is elected towards the right. (The most likely scenario.)

Christianity and war.
For anybody out there who is a Christian and believes that the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill," I have an important bit of information for you:

The sixth commandment means, when translated faithfully from Hebrew: "Thou shalt not murder/assasinate."

War is not murder, it is killing because you are ordered to do so/have to do so. Nor is assasinating terrorists, that is pre-emptive self-defense. Christianity and testicular fortitude are not, in any way, incomaptible. Tell the weak-minded fools who are our leaders this. maybe they will respond and do something.

eric understands what his mother tells him to understand
For every General who says we had too few troops there are three that says there were too many, and 10 that says it was about right.

Eric hears what he wants to hear, and dismisses everything else as lies.

A colleague interned for Joe Lieberman for one year.

The senator's top priority was to be re-elected.

What will change Washington is turnover.

Never, Never, Never, Never, vote for an incumbent.

ILLEGAL Immigration
I think the cavemen have mostly thawed on illegal immigration.

TCS is still in an ice age along with politicians.

I am a Caveman, and proud of it . . . .
The situation is more ironic than it first appears. To state the obvious, being called a caveman is meant to be a pejorative. As in “those stupid neocons . . . primitives whose ideas have been tired and hackneyed for decades; whatever they say must by definition be something knuckle dragging and primitive. We progressives by definition are the forward thinkers, intelligent, good looking, cultured, and sophisticated.”

I think many people are tired of walking down the progressive path, only to discover unseen potholes, sinkholes and cliffs that were either dishonestly camouflaged by progressives or (worse) not even guessed at. So now the progressive makes fun of those who do not wish to follow, when common sense – something a caveman must have to survive – would indicate the danger of going down the progressive path.

Most “cavemen” in America are Americans first, then something else. Most want to win the war, by subduing the enemy – not subsidizing him. Most thought we were going to war to do that, and then came to find out that we were fighting not for us, but for the people over there. That should be a secondary reason, the primary one being our survival. The frustration of the average middle-class common-sense type person at our intellectual elite is due to the fact of the elite never seeming to come to grips with what is important, and always obsessing about peripheral issues. Multicultural issues are mute if the main supporting (Western) culture is gone.

Break things and kill people
Pioneers and explorers come from segment of the population who desires to kill people and break things. In the proto USofA when the east coast cities became to civilized for the breakers and killers, they could "go west" to rape and pilliage the Indian People.

In the late 1800's the Indian People were mostly dead and all their good land stolen. What was a breaker and killer to do? They took over the big cities and Prohabition empowered them.

Now that the middle class has been run out of the cities, what are we to do with the breakers and killers? Since the end of the Big War they have been sent to make war on small countries, building up the dope trade for our owners.

Better the breakers and killers should go someplace else to ply their trade, "taking the war to the enemy" just as the Moslim breakers and killers take their war to Israel.

I'm a caveman and I know this is time to find a scapegoat
Sure, I was frozen tens of thousands of years ago, and only just defrosted, but I know some things. When you have a war your leadership has totally blown, and can't get right, you always know what to do. Find a scapegoat. If you don't blame someone at home, people will rightly blame you. So begin yelling and screaming about people not being patriotic and not supporting the troops. Blame all your failures on your political opponents. Sure its stupid. Sure it doesn't make sense. But remember you're dealing with cavemen. We don't care if it makes sense.

Where do the aliens fit in?
I understand your point about the Zionist Occupational Government and their policy of committing genocide against our loyal, friendly, totally harmless Indian brothers around the time of the founding.

However, I think you leave out the Area 51 angle, as well as the black helicopters that the CIA pays for with all the crack they are dealing in South Central.

Or, I could just say, those people who like to kill people and break stuff are the ones who won the Revolutionary War, created the freest nation on Earth, beat the Kaiser, Hitler and the USSR, and are keeping your lunatic rear-end from worshipping Allah at the point of a Kalashnikov.

Every caveman knows that namecalling is mark of not having any argument.
If you want to make a contribution, make it. This kind of gratuitous crap degrades the conversation.

Not like the WWII Germans whose uniform you wore, eh D?
Those were the days, working for the Wehrmacht hunting down your fellow citizens who were fighting the occupying Germans. You know how it's done.

I made several good arguments. I'm not surprised that you refused to see them.

Very interesting exactly 4 minutes after eric complains about my insults to him
he has a post with nothing but insults towards Dietmar.
At least my post had facts and arguments in the body. Eric only has more insults in the body.

Which "good argument" was about "eric's mother?" asks caveman
Again, namecalling is a mark of having no arguments

Explorers are nothing more than people who want to kill?
Have you always held such hatred towards people who are better than you?

eric still seeing what his mom tells him to see
According to eric, unless a conservative is 100% perfect. He's a failure.

Funny thing is, he is full of excuse after excuse regarding his own failures.

What tweaks this caveman....
is the inane stupidity of the federal behemouth aka Homeland Security/TSA. For instance, in the UK some bad guys are caught plotting to blow up airplanes. Great they are caught, good job. But then, in a sick replay of the Forrest Gump addage that "stupid is as stupid does", the idiots "looking out for our safety" end up punishing all the rest of us--the good guys--by stripping us of all liquids, even teething gel for infants, when we board an airplane. Hell, here in Hawaii they even banned cream-filled doughnuts from an interisland flight.
Then, to listen to the sheep-like, "I feel safe now" drivel of some of those subjected to this nonsense makes me think that there are more pliable whimps around than cavemen.

It was not an insult but a fact
Dietmar served as a Quisling soldier working for the Germans during WWII. He brags about killing his fellow countrymen -- "communists."

still no argument but namecalling
why not take it somewhere else, Mark?

The FIFTH Commandment
Cathecism of the Catholic Church
Article 5: The Fifth Commandment

You shall not kill.

You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.

2258. "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."
-- Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), instruction, Donum vitae, intro. 5., February 22, 1987

. . . . .

2261. Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: "Do not slay the innocent and the righteous." The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. The law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.
-- Leviticus 17:14; Exodus 23:7

2262. In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord recalls the commandment, "You shall not kill," and adds to it the proscription of anger, hatred, and vengeance. Going further, Christ asks his disciples to turn the other cheek, to love their enemies. He did not defend himself and told Peter to leave his sword in its sheath.
-- Matthew 5:21; 5:22-39; 5:44; 5:26
-- Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica II-II, 64, 7



read the text, not just the title little man.
that is assuming your mother lets you.

I'm waiting for you to post anything that is not an insult.

Sorry, I still don't understand what "eric's mother" is doing as the title of an argument
And 'eric's mother' is not part of this discussion, so keep her out of it.

I'm waiting for you to post on topic
My posts are about the issues. Your posts are about "eric's mother." This discussion is not about 'eric's mother." and it is not an insulting you to say so.

What's the deal with this rsvp nonsense?

Sorry, another irrelevant post
There's nothing in your typical cut and paste job answer that addresses Publius's point. Notice these terms & phrases:

"angry with his brother" (war is best conducted without hatred, since rage clouds judgment)

"deliberate murder of an innocent person", uh, that would be them, not us. Please don't start a litany of rogues, the question is one of general policy. As a rule, we don't, in fact we court martial those individuals that deliberately kill the innocent.

Try to read whats written and not be in such a rush to post anything you think might be related to the thought.

Peace through strength
Sometimes that strength must be demonstrated without hesitation or remorse.

Just War
"War is not murder" is a very simplistic misrepresentation of the FIFTH commandment. Killing innocent civilians in the process of conducting warfare can not be casually dismissed, if one claims to be a True Christian.

Do I really need to repost the rest of the Vaticam's statement on Just Warfare or St. Thomas Aquinas's Summa Theologica II-II?

Boy are you right on
I worked on the Hill myself in and out for about 10 years. You could not have described it better.

Great Apple pie stuff and untrue.
My country was made in a simular way to your's however we have a very different view of these things then your "Cavemen". This fight has to happen at a different level then bombs and guns.

No, all levels must be used
You are right, some diplomacy is necessary and desired; so are bombs and guns. Some issues don't go away and talking does nothing to make the situation better. We thawed cavemen want things done.

Those who critize fighting in Iraq are wrong to us; those who critize the prosecution, on the other hand, hit a nerve we can agree with. But we don't blame it all on Bush or Rummy; there is plenty of blame to go around.

We seen N.Korea and Iran and wonder why we are not getting a bit tougher with those bozos. So N. Korea has nukes; take them out if they continue to argue. The on-again, off-again dialog must either result in a settlement soon or end; that's when the bombs must start to fall.

Dialog first, then bombs and guns. Whatever it takes, but get the job done.

My killing communists those days in the old country was kinda like your cops killing the SDS, or the Simbianese Liberation army, or indeed communists in your own country. It doesn't matter if the people who are trying to enslave you are your own comptriots, or foreigners. But in any case, I didn't sign up for this service since I had already been enslaved by the friggin *****. If you, like Michael/Eric/Roy Bean say i should have resisted then I give you the following example. Remember when the Royal Navy used to 'press gang' their staff? That means that they picked up unconsious drunks off the streets and put them on the boats. When they awoke next day , they were way out to sea. Now these guys could have resisted by jumping into the sea, right? I was in the same position as them.

Hey, any excuse will do: Glad you can brag about working for Hitler
You'd be surprised, but credentials as a N*zi collaborator don't carry much weight for lots of people. But why tell everyone who the Na*is were right? Maybe that will convince the people you want to reach.

Every caveman knows that namecalling is the mark of not having an arguement...

A post of mine from a couple of days ago...
Titled: Why there's overreaction...
The People Demand It.

"Make us safe!" Even ol' mikey moore said that no gun law would have prevented 9/11. A simple box cutter. That's all they needed. Once, the screeners took a pair of 2" mustache scissors from me. Being a Marine, those aren't a weapon to me. The screener held them to his neck... oooooh yea... I see now...

I heard a statement on the news yesterday, something like, "instead of banning items, look for the perpetrators" or something like that. Why not an incentive reward program for the screeners? "If you catch a terrorist..." That way, they will have more of a drive to do their jobs properly, and these jackarses who like to tape tinfoin gun silouettes in their luggage will get slapped.
But, to just look for the predators, well, they could be anyone now. The terrorists they caught in London were 3rd generation Londoners, and looked like anyone else. They're going to learn to assimilate now. They are already learning to adapt. Binary liquid explosives? The dogs aren't trained, or able to be trained to sniff that out.

We tried that, 1992-2000.
Ignored them, ran from them, let them go... twice.

Didn't work.

What makes you think it would? What do you base it on?

Do you also call all those slave labourers in the factories collaborators? What about the guys in the concentration camps? They could have also resisted, some did, and the results were always the same; immediate death. But you didn't answer my example of the royal navy press ganged guys. Here's another example. Let's say you didn't like the Taliban in afghanistan before. Should their womean in those bee keepers costumes also have commited suicide to show their brave resistance?

Rewriting the Bible
I'm thinking you must be the pen name for John Yoo. So actually when that tablet sent directly from God said, seemingly definitively, "Thou shalt not kill" there was some fine print. What it really meant was

"Thou shalt not take it upon yourself to decide who to kill but only kill those whom your leaders or other men in Competent Authority assure you are in need of killing. Plus of course thou shalt kill any of God's creatures as thou findest art in thy way, in the process of obeying the Supercommandment, which is to exercise dominion over the earth and the creatures that dwell thereon."

So then the Old Testament is actually in favor of killing, when approved by a duly constituted authority. Yet Islam is actually the warlike religion, while ours is the religion of men of peace. Like Joshua for instance.

Got it.

They gave you a gun, D.
You could have used it on them. You used it on your fellow-countrymen who were fighting them. And you brag about killing them because they were "communist.""

We're not warlike enough now?
So you're saying people like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are defeatists, and aren't taking this thing seriously enough? And that what you are hoping for is a massive shift even further to the right?

I didn't even know there WAS anything further to the right. Who would be an example of a leader you would consider sufficiently warlike? Joseph Kony?

Please let us know the locations of the bars you frequent, where you've gauged this measure of popular discontent. Those are places I think I'd like to avoid.

Gore the bullfighter, not the cape
Ron-- The author has skillfully manipulated your feelings, directing them against some mythical progressives that you are now fired up with hatred for. But please recall that it was not any such progressives who called you a cave man. It was the fellow who wrote this piece.

If you're upset over the attitude of the people conducting this war, you might write them a letter. I think the White House has something on its website for such purposes.

Really dastardly
I feel your pain, bro. What could be more dispiriting than have TSA confiscate your jelly doughnut, just because some Islamist guy in pajamas described making a jelly doughnut bomb on his web site?

Now we know the true dimensions of the threat to our way of life. They don't even have to actually blow any planes up. I predict that the next time a plot surfaces it will be someone trying to come on board with a bomb in his underwear. And the reason, of course, will be to force the TSA to ban all underwear on future flights.

Thus will America be reduced to a herd of blubbering simpletons.

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