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Stars and Stripes

By Andrew Ian Dodge - October 11, 2006 12:00 AM

Hollywood has have never been known to be a friend of right-of-centre causes. The same could be said of the music business. Most people could probably name one musician that was firmly right-of-centre: Ted Nugent.

Is it possible that times are a-changing? In the last few weeks a group of celebrities has come out against terrorism. For example, a leading lady (Natalie Portman) proudly visited Israel in the middle of the conflict to show her support. And rocker Gene Simmons proclaimed his support for both President Bush and Israel.

Many people know that actor Ben Stein is a Republican and non-socialist. But to see other entertainers outside country music showing strong support for the President and Israel is quite unusual.

One could argue that Gene Simmons, bassist and frontman to Kiss, coming out in support of Israel is not that surprising as he is Israeli by birth. However considering the anti-Israel bias of the mainstream media and large parts of the music business it could be seen as risky.

Simmons appeared on Neil Cavuto's Fox program and uttered the following statement:

"I want a rotweiller in a bad neighbourhood not a poodle."

Five years ago such a statement could have hurt his and his band's career. Today, however, there seems to be no sign his support for Israel and the President has affected him one bit. He has not suffered a Dixie-Chicks-type backlash from rockers.

It surprised, impressed and horrified many in the blogosphere to hear that Natalie Portman had gone to Israel mid-war while making a clear effort to visit the Israeli injured during her trip. And now we hear that 84 A-listers of the Hollywood elite have signed an open letter, sponsored by Rupert Murdoch, against terrorism in all its forms, specifically naming Hamas and Hizbollah. The fact it includes Nicole Kidman as well as the typical collection of action heroes like Bruce Willis will surprise some. It was not just actors, either, with Michael Mann leading a group of directors, as well as the head of Paramount, Sumner Redstone.

Could this sort of reaction to terrorism and attacks on Israel be a sign of a shift in the attitudes of the entertainment industry? Could the entertainment industry finally be starting to reflect the generally moderate outlook of most Americans?

We live in interesting times and the entertainment world does not seem to have escaped the continuous reality checks we are all experiencing on a daily basis.

The author is a writer living in Britain.

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53 Comments

Why the Right does not need speech codes...
When the Dixie Chicks started spouting all sorts of political garbage about the President, they discovered why the Right does not need speech codes. People simply stopped buying their music. People stopped going to their concerts. In fact, they had to cancel 14 tour stops in the United States because of slow ticket sales, and book appearances north of the border. (1) Silly political statements by stars provoke a response in a language every man, woman and child understands: Money.

If you doubt that the right is gaining ground in entertainment and news, the only two words you really need to hear are "Fox News," the station with the five top-rated news programs on cable. Just slightly before the Dixie Chicks shot their careers in the foot, Darryl Worley wrote a song called "Have You Forgotten," talking about the 9/11 attacks and the tepid response on the Left. His career went from lukewarm, at best, to hotter than the core of one of Kim Jong-Il's nukes with a little help from TV stations like Fox News and radio programs like Sean Hannity. Rush Limbaugh has 20 ***MILLION*** listeners each day, while Air America has to embezzle money from poor kids to stay on-the-air.

The Right does not need speech codes, "fairness doctrines," gag rules and censorship because people want to read, hear and watch what we have to offer. We can rely on the market to produce it. The Left, on the other hand, has to count on media monopoly and restricting access to certain people's ideas on campus. Now that the Left's monopoly is falling apart, they are in for a shock to both their worldview and their bottom line...

The author got the situation exactly right... Hollywood is going to see a lot more "Flags of Our Fathers" in the coming years than they will of "Syriana," at least at the studios that do not want to end up reposessed.

I would love to agree.
I just dont see it that way. If anything,Hollywood is moving farther left each day. We need business men to support conservative film makers. I do think there is a market for patriotic films. They are just not to going to be made in hollywood.

In a way, I agree with PubliusJr and Lifter
Hollywood is separating at the seams. Those who are committed leftists are marching to their doom further leftward. Those who are more like the mainstream of America are feeling safe enough to come out of the closet and speak their mind.

This can only be a good thing. Those mainstream, moderate, or even moderately right-wing celebrities will enjoy the happy support of the public. The socialists and terrorism apologists will suffer the fate of the Dixi Chicks.

Jew lobby governing U.S.
This is wellknown fact that Jew of U.S. very rich and very influenceal lobby of U.S.All important decision of U.S government taken by this lobby.creation and rearing of Isrial was brainchild of this lobby.
Jew are wellknown from very long long time for their selfishness.They can do anything for money.Main arms manufacturers are Jew, they are the main culprit of second world war,Today also they start the war between nations only for sell of their arms.
Really speaking Jew are curse to mankind. Only for this reason from ancient time christian are hating them

indy's
Every year it get's easier and cheaper for independant film producers to create quality films. The era of the big Hollywood studio is over. It will just take a few more decades for the beast to realize that it is dead.

This is a fact that is well known to idiots and racists throughout the world.
It unfortunately is also a "fact" that has no basis in reality.

If you can prove any of your claims, please do so.

Ramones
what about Johnny Ramone? Before his death he supported the current administration and other conservative causes

I can see Gollum paddling about with Eric in a rubber boat
Assuming this is not Eric.

Exactly right
The majority are still far left zealots, but the more moderate types are starting to be heard.

Jew hater...
I am impressed someone defending Gibson's jew-hated in 8 comments.

On a more postive note. I am a music critic as well and I have talk to many a muso about his or her politics. I find the left wing ones tend to be obvious in their music and the right-of-centre/libertarian ones tend to be a bit more subtle with theirs. (With the exception of Ted Nugent.)

It is fascinating to see overtly Christian metal bands are now in the fore in the US. I remember the day when Stryper were mercilessly mocked for their beliefs.

???????
Who is a jew hater?

I'm pretty sure he meant to respond to rag head, not to you.
...

No Subject
Spot on Mark.

Or Maybe. . .
. . .they aren't any different politically, they've just realized there is money to be made in red America.

hrm...
Love your cynism but Simmons and some of the others I have mentioned are always fairly right-of-centre but have no always felt able to speak their minds lest their careers suffer.

Natalie Portman is a Democrat, not thrilled w/ "W"
Portman campaigned for John Kerry in 2004 and supports a lot of liberal causes, like gay rights and tolerance. She also shows she cares for her home, Jerusalem.

Correction: Portman travelled to Israel after the cease-fire, not during the war.

Portman supports the victims of terrorism and visited Israeli soldiers in a rehab hospital in August. She has visited arab and jewish victims of terrorism at Israeli hospitals in the past. Terrorism has affected her family personally.

Quality of wingnut performers and artists

It's true that some American "culture providers" are Republicans, Schwartzenegger, Ted Nugent, Bruce Willis, ... . However, the good ones all are liberal. The ones who win awards and are on track to being remembered for their cultural achievements by future generations. Except for some decrepit old stoners, nobody likes Ted Nugent better than the Dixie Chicks. Does anyone think Mallard Fillmore comics are funnier than Doonesbury (or even funny at all)?

I've searched for a Republican actor who is not famous mainly for macho violence (war movies, westerns, cops & robbers). There is one -- Shirley Temple. Got any more?



Hollywood values are being praised?
In other words most of Hollywood is made of queers, metrosexuals, drunks, illiterates, drug addicts and people who couldn't make an honest living and this is something to be proud of?

Another Ted Turner Democrat?
Just goes to show you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Maybe we can introduce the two of them?

Wow, I remember when Doonesbury was funny!
Of course I'm pretty old now but still... And what about George Carlin, the hippy dippy weatherman? I remember so far back that it includes being in a room full of happy people just laughing there a**es off. No tedious 'messages', no ranting doses of castor oil. Good grief, comedians had to be funny WITHOUT swearing! How the heck did they do that? Even old George did a bit called, "the seven words you can't say on television". Can't do that now, can he...

And now all performers want to be "remembered" but what we won't remember is why we paid money to hear from them.

We went through this crazy guilt period, people will say, and we listened to a lot of crap in an orgy of self recrimination.

And then... it was over. Like a bad hangover.

And all those 'culture providers', the "good ones", will be just a really ugly memory. Like the bathroom floor that we hugged during a long night of suffering, they'll still be around for us to walk on. And yes, we will never forget.

Christians don't hate Jews
Our church came out of Judaism, like Islam.

We respect any religion that teaches self-discipline and forgiveness.

The US was not founded by Jews. It isn't run by Jews, it's run by anyone with vision and leadership.

Jews are associated with money because in old Europe they couldn't work in competing trades with Europeans.

Catholics once hated Jews because of the crusaders and anti-semitic leaders. But in the USA they are equals. Islamic people can be equals in the US too.

On earth, peace to men of good will.

Neutrality used to be the norm
Ronald Reagan was a democrat in his early acting days but became a Republican. I can't remember the story.

Once you wouldn't hear people's political views on TV because they'd been down that road, blending politics with music and comedy, with McCarthyism. They realized it was not only prudent but more effective to just do a good job with their arts. Unfortunately, the next generations thought they knew better, I guess.

The Dixie Chicks and Madonna embarass me. I won't support any of their stuff. I won't go to Tim Robbins movies or his wife's either. Nor Sean Penn.

Other actors I don't want to see because I don't believe in their characters anymore, because I saw too much of their personal lives. For example, Ann Heche doesn't look like a romantic heroine to me because I know she once went for the **** thing. And that Aussie guy that played the homosexual cowboy in Brokeback mountain, I don't see him as a sex god anymore.

Unfortunately, when I hear a movie star is a conservative, I like him or her but I'm still looking for that great movie!

And the nasty, raunchy, disease-spreading pop music they have on the radio today!! That can't be airing on its own merits. Someone is paying the record companies or something. Even my daughter wonders why Fergie Ferguson can't come up with something better to sing about than "My milkshake."

See, Pink and Gwen Stefani have got to be lefties. But I don't care about that. I think they're good role models. They made something out of their talents and character. I mean, I don't LIKE 'em. But they're strong and creative. Just don't bash our president, please.

'Cause, you artists out there, we know it's just bashing. Your opinion is not more valid than anyone else's. Your reasoning is just that. Please, can we have a soul-inspiring work of art, not a dead fish on a colorful plate?

and another thing...

Stars and Stripes
There will be more and more consertave shift in the USA.
Haven't people heard the old saying, "if you are not a liberal when you are young, you don't have a heart....if you are not a conservative when you are older, you don't have a brain."

And the demographics show the baby boom getting older.
I contend that conservativism will no longer be viewed as stodgy and backward.

I would be willing to bet that 1/2 of the guys out there have feigned interest in liberal ideals just to get closer to the young ladies.

which is funny, 'cause
I think guys feign interest in liberalism to get with the fast ladies, but they want to bring a conservative lady home.

Correction and Commentary
SOME Catholics hated Jews, being as they were (and are) subject human frailty.

However some of the most blood curdling jew-hatred came Martin Luther- it was so virulent that it is now considered by some to have been the seed corn that Hitler exploited in his sociopathy.

Lisa, your writing is generally coherent, but you show a rather curious penchant for allowing this "last acceptable" prejudice to color your assertions, often at the perils of invalidity or inaccuracy.

Are you for real?
You read like some sort of charicature.

I'm more concerned with the oil barons lobbying the government while unding madrassas than this imaginery zionist menace.

Jews don't fly airplanes into buildings, blow up kids on busses, detonate themselves at wddings or roll paralyzed men off of cruise ship decks.

exactly right, LOL
Another reason we are liberal when we are young and grow more conservative as we get older.

Wrong Focus. Who (should) give(s) a rats-behind what some celebrity says?
In the authors somewhat illusory search for a minor contingent of celebrities supporting "conservative" causes-he misses the point.

Its not about one political philosophy collecting more celebrity endorsements, its about having a populace that recognizes celebrity endorsements are as informed, impartial and adviseable now as they were when Jack Webb and others were pitching smokes decades ago. Although, in all candor I confess celebrity is something of a pherome for the weak-minded.

Its time we recognize the difference between a prostitute and a prophet.

Leftist Moonbats
You see intellectual conformity as some indicia of talent-but in the real world the only professions where there is such uniformity are ones where its ENFORCED- when talk radio is predominately right of center-the left smells a conspiracy, instead of inferring the obvious-radio is the medium of people who work for a living and traffic in facts. Of course leftist ideological conformity is a sign of talent and enlightenment.

Art is about fantasy-the best artists believe and believe in their own depictions-and that propensity to traffic in fantasy is why left-wing politics predominates among actors, singers and other performers.

As a further testament to the inteelectual vigor of Hollywood, notice how many subscribe to Scientology?

Oh Yes, Mallard is funnier that bitter, incoherent bile of Trudeau's. Doonesberry is as preachy as it is predictable.

What kind of moral right for Jew to occuped the Arab land?
Five thousand years ago Jew`s forfather was living in middle east, then they left that land. In 1948 with the help of England and U.S.Jew through way Arab people and created Isreal.At that time they argued that we conquired our mother land.
Is this argument is morally right? If it is right, then what moral right for citizens of U.S.to staying in U.S.?
U.S.`s land is originally Red Indians and white people occupied this land by cheating to Red Indian..White people must suddender this land to Red Indian.



































No Subject
Actually I was making the point that these people were willing to speak about what they believed in and did not fear suffering consquences for such behaviour. If this is indeed the case its good all around.

Liberalism was always 'push a rock up a hill' philosophy and now...
Watch out. The Boomers are turning conservative in mass numbers and the twenty somethings have started to break the engagement early. The sillier kids behind them are just being kids again. The whole ratty reality is shredding before the liberal eye.

I've always laughed at angry conservatives who believe the world is going to hell in a handbasket. The world is the world. We don't change it; it changes us.

I love life...

Rebellion
Well during my stints in uni on both sides of the Atlantic if one wanted to be a true rebel, one needed to be right-of-centre. Everyone was right on lefties and there is no fun being part of the herd now is there?

You would think, wouldn't you?
I have to laugh at the memories of wearing jeans and old shirts to show we were not one of the crowd. Every where you looked you saw the same uniform of individuals.

Same today.But with a twist. Most kids don't seriously believe in all this liberal malarkey. But if there's a protest to go to... party time!!

Uniform...
Especially at my Alma Malus Colby there was definetely a "uniform" for the psuedo-hippie/lefties. They were far more conformist than any of the libertarians or conservatives. I found it most ironic.

Colby? in Maine? Yowser!!
Now there's a puzzle palace full of pansy party poops! Pretty campus though.

One of the Balwin boys
has become a christian. I saw this on tv the other night.I,m sure this puts him in the dog house at family get togeathers. Someone said they cant watch movies staring ultra libs. I tend to agree. One exception is Alec Baldwin. I know he is a nut job but I really like his sense of humor in many of his movies. Being from New England I can tell you he did a remarkable job of playing a blue collar father in the movie "Out side of Providence".
He played the part to a tee. The women who plays Ray Romanos wife in his sit com is also conservative. She is very pro life.

Explain further
What is the prejudice? I'm asking earnestly because if I have one, I haven't posted it deliberately and didn't know I had it.

So, tell me more about what you're talking about.

I'm a Liberal Catholic, raised a Mormon and heretofore have since then and before the LCC, attended Protestant churches. I'm not sure if my post seemed anti-Roman Catholic or anti-Jewish. So I'm open to seeing what you see, okay?

I mean, I don't like the Catholic church much, but not liking the Catholic church, is it the same as prejudice? Because in my heart, I respect the Catholic church and I was impressed by Pope John-Paul. I'm just a little mad at the Roman Catholic church because I attended a service once, and they wouldn't let me, a LibCat, take communion even though my church is recognized by the Catholic Church. But that was probably just because the people there had never heard of the LCC. I mean, that's just irritation on my part. So, I don't identify with the RC church at all.

Am I prejudiced? If I am, I certainly need to correct that. It will be difficult for me because I'm also kind of prejudiced against the Mormon church because I just kind of hate anything that excludes those who don't completely mentally and spiritually believe exactly as the Church dictates. I much prefer to stay out of those kinds of churches because I don't hold onto beliefs like that. Probably a weakness on my part.

I'd have to say, if I have prejudice it might be something I picked up from my cultural background. All my family was Protestant as long as there were Protestants. I don't know why, as it's so far back in history.

So, I'm open to the idea that I have prejudice. But would you please tell me what you saw in past posts that I allowed the "last acceptable" prejudice? I'm studying my Bible right now, particularly the Jefferson Bible.

I am not particularly sure my posts are ever particularly valid or accurate. I mean, I try but often fail, I know that.

I know Luther was an anti-semite. That is an interesting thing for you to point out; I just heard it since I've been a LibCat. I am fascinated by this metaphysical underside of Naziism ie The Third Reich, the Master Race, and stuff like that. It's pernicious and it led to some of the most egregious, worst human behavior ever, and yet some of the premises have a sort of attractiveness, and that makes me wary of metaphysical stuff at the same time as I'm attracted to it. So, in the world of deep-seated beliefs and the things we're willing to do on behalf of them, I can understand a bit about fanaticism.

What Right?
"Five thousand years ago Jew`s forfather was living in middle east, then they left that land. In 1948 with the help of England and U.S.Jew through way Arab people and created Isreal.At that time they argued that we conquired our mother land.
Is this argument is morally right? If it is right, then what moral right for citizens of U.S.to staying in U.S.?
U.S.`s land is originally Red Indians and white people occupied this land by cheating to Red Indian..White people must suddender this land to Red Indian."

I can't speak for Israel but as an American, I can speak for my own country.

Some people think about yesterday's situation with today's morals. I don't.

I think yesterday's situation is from yesterday's morals. My Cultural ancestors (Not my own--they came here later)desired economic advance. They would not let anyone stop them.

By today's morals, those who aren't native Americans ought to give this land back. But it's just not going to happen. It's not realistic.

Patricia Heaton
She's pro-life but I think she's a democrat. I could listen to someone like that.

I get what you say about how you'll watch Alec Baldwin. There are some lefties I knew were that way all along, and if they bash this country, they've been doing it since 1972, like Chrissie Hynde. (The Pretenders.) She said she hoped the US lost in Iraq and got bombed, but to me, that was just pure Chrissie Hynde, Nihilist, and it was all right when it was just her. She never claimed to be rational. She's still one of my heroes. I don't know why anymore. I dont' care.

If someone is a good artist you can see the quality in the artistry.

If someone is a good artist they can put their political bent on things without saying it. Somehow I can accept that because after all, it's art. My definition of art is that it's the very hard work of making your piece be what you dreamed it could be, and it's the expression of what's inside you. It's like magic.

If someone really wants to be dangerous, they entrance everyone with their great art, and stick in an anti-establishment message. But I think our current bunch of artists lost faith in that or didn't learn about it, and destroyed the illusion.

Explanation
What is the prejudice? I'm asking earnestly because if I have one, I haven't posted it deliberately and didn't know I had it.

So, tell me more about what you're talking about.

When your posts cite some failing, you seem to readily cite Catholics as the main or exclusive
Perpetrators-in this case-antisemitism. Anti-Semitism is prevalent in all cultures-check out raguntha1 and his diatribes.

I'm a Liberal Catholic, raised a Mormon and heretofore have since then and before the LCC, attended Protestant churches. I'm not sure if my post seemed anti-Roman Catholic or anti-Jewish. So I'm open to seeing what you see, okay?

I don’t know what a “liberal Catholic” is, I checked to see the twenty-some churches that are in Communion with Rome, don’t see anything about “liberal Catholic”.

I mean, I don't like the Catholic church much, but not liking the Catholic church, is it the same as prejudice? Because in my heart, I respect the Catholic church and I was impressed by Pope John-Paul.

Too be blunt, my head would spin if I had that much cognitive dissonance. How can you respect and dislike simultaneously? Yes, a baseless dislike is prejudice.

I'm just a little mad at the Roman Catholic church because I attended a service once, and they wouldn't let me, a LibCat, take communion even though my church is recognized by the Catholic Church. But that was probably just because the people there had never heard of the LCC. I mean, that's just irritation on my part. So, I don't identify with the RC church at all.

Last I checked, Catholic churches have Mass, not “services”. Additionally, I once again see no mention of such a church as “LibCat” that is “recognized” by the Catholic Church. Just I would not expect to be included in certain Jewish or Islamic rites, rituals or ceremonies that might be reserved to members in good standing, I think you should evaluate your standing and accept it.

Am I prejudiced? If I am, I certainly need to correct that. It will be difficult for me because I'm also kind of prejudiced against the Mormon church because I just kind of hate anything that excludes those who don't completely mentally and spiritually believe exactly as the Church dictates. I much prefer to stay out of those kinds of churches because I don't hold onto beliefs like that. Probably a weakness on my part.

Why be prejudiced against the Mormon Church? I find significant problems with their theology- its inconsistent with the Christian Bible and beliefs and there’s simply no evidence for much of what it teaches-in fact DNA analysis sort of blows it out of the water, but I try not to assume too much about individuals based upon their affiliation.

I'd have to say, if I have prejudice it might be something I picked up from my cultural background. All my family was Protestant as long as there were Protestants. I don't know why, as it's so far back in history.



So, I'm open to the idea that I have prejudice. But would you please tell me what you saw in past posts that I allowed the "last acceptable" prejudice? I'm studying my Bible right now, particularly the Jefferson Bible.

I know a lot of people that are regular bible readers that count prejudice among their faults.

The “jefferson Bible” as far as I am aware, is the personal interpretation of a man who was a deist and is not accepted by any Christian denomination.

I am not particularly sure my posts are ever particularly valid or accurate. I mean, I try but often fail, I know that.

I know Luther was an anti-semite. That is an interesting thing for you to point out; I just heard it since I've been a LibCat. I am fascinated by this metaphysical underside of Naziism ie The Third Reich, the Master Race, and stuff like that. It's pernicious and it led to some of the most egregious, worst human behavior ever, and yet some of the premises have a sort of attractiveness, and that makes me wary of metaphysical stuff at the same time as I'm attracted to it. So, in the world of deep-seated beliefs and the things we're willing to do on behalf of them, I can understand a bit about fanaticism.


On that we can agree.

But so...
Patricia Heaton is an actress. Why is her opinion any more valid than an accountant, a banker, a plumber or a postal worker? We should judge the opinion on its merits, not the public stature of its adherents.

Nor is it relevant that she holds an opinion thats unusual for those in her party.

Okay, then.
I think you can not particularly like a church, but respect it.

You are pretty sensitive about Catholicism. I'm not, obviously. If you don't mind, would you say something about your affiliation with it (her?)

Cognitive dissonance is a great way to characterize my world.

For example, I am totally fascinated by Catholic folk icons like the Virgin de Guadalupe. And I don't believe what the DaVinci Code said but I do remember the inspiration I felt at the thought of a female side to deity. I don't understand why it makes a difference to believe in Trinitarian or Unitarian doctrines. I don't understand how Jesus' death on the cross could have done anything about the sins of mankind, but still I think anyone who lives as Jesus tried to teach people to live will bring God's kingdom to earth.

If you have answers to all this, good--you're far ahead of me.

A baseless dislike is a prejudice, that's true. But you're not going to scare me with the word 'prejudice.' It's just ignorant beliefs, which I do not deny.

The Liberal Catholic Church has a website. You'll find it. I think you'll reject it.

When I study something, I adopt it and I don't care if any Christian denomination doesn't like the Jefferson Bible. Actually, the Unitarian Church, once a Christian denomination but no longer, does accept the Jefferson Bible.

I probably can't call myself a Christian by your standards, not while I'm studying my Jefferson Bible. That's okay. It's not about that. In fact, I find Jesus' moral teachings difficult to believe. I want to, and I'm doing my best to hear if they ring true.

A couple of days ago I read the parable of the tares and that was when I took another look at his teaching that there would be an end of time, when the sinners would be cast into the furnace. That is taking some thought. Because, a lifetime is very short and people can set off on a very lost course in life, and then somehow they're supposed to meet with God on judgment day and possibly get thrown into a furnace. What is forgiveness for, then? So I think he's talking about the soul, and I believe the soul goes on beyond physical life. I won't go on with this...

You sound like you're comfortable with your beliefs.

I'm not exactly comfortable but I'm not a linear thinker and I prefer to take life as a puzzle where I'm finding pieces.

Incidentally, why does it matter whether I like the Catholic Church or not? I suppose it's a matter of doing my part to perpetuate the subtle hatred in the world. I don't want to be a part of it and so, thanks for pointing it out to me. I'll find my way to rising above that ignorant belief that is the basis for the feeling of hatred.

I hate being lectured to. But y'know, I'm listening. I am.

I like her, tho.
She uses her personna to make money.

It Shouldn't be relevant, but it is, I argue.

You are right superheater.
Of course this seems to be our own version of Star magazine. We all enjoy a little entertainer talk. But in reality I find most of Hollywood to be a bunch of pampered, disfunctional, narcissistic idiots.But they can be fun to talk about.

Islam and Jews
There is no theological connection between Judaism and Islam.

I believe you were the one who tried to make a connection between Catholicism and corruption.
Others showed that no such connection existed.

rag head is both stupid and racist
The Jews didn't leave that land. Many of them were forcibly scattered by the Romans but there have always been Jews living in the middle east.

Jews didn't "through away" the middle eastern arabs. The middle eastern arabs choose to leave rather than pollute themselves by living in a jewish state.

The current owners of India, got that way by killing off the previous owners. So you are also living on stolen land.

toleration and liberalism. No overlap
As usual, LG defines good, as being those things he understands. Every thing else is stupid, if not evil.

Are you sure there's no theological connection between J and I?
If not, when why do Arabs believe in Moses and Noah? Why do they believe Jesus was a prophet?

My little pea brain wonders if you said that just to counter a point, without really considering.

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