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Irony Lady

By Peter Cuthbertson - January 25, 2007 12:00 AM

In announcing her presidential bid, the Times of London reports that Hillary Clinton has suggested Margaret Thatcher as a role model. Thatcher's strength and leadership are widely admired across the political spectrum and her influence was profound. The choice is inspired: the world of the early twenty-first century, as much as the 1980s, requires the Thatcherite "vigorous virtues" of moral clarity and unfaltering conviction.

Now that the former British Prime Minister has been brought into the Presidential debate, it is worth asking how Thatcherite values can be applied in the coming years to the security, defense and foreign policy realms for which Sen. Clinton is looking to her for guidance.

Moral clarity: Margaret Thatcher's approach to the Soviet Union lacked the self-doubt and ethical confusion so often mistaken for intellectual sophistication. After becoming Conservative leader, she warned of Soviet rearmament and championed the need to counter it. The Kremlin, unnerved, swiftly dubbed Thatcher the 'Iron Lady' - a label which she herself soon seized upon. So clear was she in her preference for the free world over the socialist model, she made it her ambition not to contain communism, but to destroy it.

Like Ronald Reagan, Thatcher had no patience for the view that the strength of the West was responsible for tension with the communist world. The notion that "if we wanted peace we should not prepare for war, if we wanted security we should not threaten, and if we wanted cooperation we should compromise ... was entirely wrong," she wrote.

Thatcher views the current conflict with Islamic radicalism similarly to how she viewed the conflict with the "Evil Empire" of Soviet Communism. "The Devil's hand," she has said, "is clearly recognisable in the works of Osama Bin Laden and his al-Qaeda network." She rejects the notion that America and her foreign policy are to blame for the terrorism she faces.

Resolve: With this moral confidence came the courage to show strength. Famously, Thatcher warned George H. W. Bush not to "go wobbly" over the Persian Gulf. Five years ago, she made equally robust recommendations for dealing with the threat of a Persian nuclear bomb in the hands of an Iranian regime: "The West should send unambiguous signals to the regime in Iran that ... we are not prepared to envisage its becoming a nuclear state."

In dealing with domestic terrorism, Thatcher also remained resolute in the face of human rights lawyers, prisoners on hunger strike and terrorist apologists who sought to grant special legal status to IRA bombers and kneecappers. In prosecuting the war on terror, she would make little time for those whose chief cause is to prevent the rendition of terrorist suspects or improve conditions in Guantanamo Bay. Instead, her response to court rulings favorable to terrorists has been the exhortation that "Conservatives everywhere must go on the counter-offensive against the New Left human rights brigade."

The UN and the US: In reference to the United Nations and to the International Criminal Court, Thatcher wrote: "because there is no world 'nation', no world political identity, no world public opinion," the only way to enforce the will of international institutions would be "to suppress democratic instincts, resist democratic pressures."

Adopting Thatcher as a model means speaking and acting in defense of American global leadership and entertaining no illusions about any supposed 'moral authority' to which the United Nations might lay claim.. As Thatcher simply put it, "America alone has the moral as well as the material capacity for world leadership."

If Margaret Thatcher is Hillary Clinton's model when it comes to security, defense and personal strengths, the policy direction this would suggest is clear: a confidence in American global leadership and an acknowledgement of American moral superiority over her enemies; a refusal to take orders from the United Nations, and a general skepticism of international institutions; a robust approach to domestic terrorists and a refusal to "go wobbly" over threats such as Iran.

This Thatcherite approach is certainly a formidable and attractive foreign policy on which to run for President. It presents only one problem for Sen. Clinton: making it through the Democratic primaries with a platform anything like it.

The author lives in Washington and writes regularly on politics and foreign affairs.


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109 Comments

A Mere Shadow
Assuming HRC's words about Lady Thatcher were sincere and not just a further effort to rebrand her as innocuous..Lady just isn't a term one applies to somebody who exudes arrogance, smugness and a cheap saccharine veneer.

She hasn't the horsepower.. viciousness isn't valor, ambition isn't erudition. There's nothing visionary about about recycled Leninism or her use of purges with the likes of Craig Livingston.

Given the paucity of anything serious about HRC, (save it libs-carpet bagging to a notoriously blue state shows nothing)-she hasn't done anything- her entire celebrity is a derivative of her husband, who was morally bankrupt, but not quite so shrill, brooding and noir. There's more to running the country than running your mouth and being fawned over by a ridiculously partisan press.

Tee Hee
Wow! You right-wing nuts are funny!

Recycled Leninism?!?
I've heard some hyperbole in my time but that takes the biscuit!
So HRC advocates a revolutionary party based on a) democratic centralism b) a membership with a proven committment to the organisation and revolution rather than passive support c) the purging of non-Marxist and reformist currents.

I look forward to her Presidential manifesto which will, of course, advocate the seizure of political power based on the elected workers, farmers and soldiers councils, followed by fastest possible development of workers' self-management of industry and agriculture.

If it's not that then it's not Leninism - recycled or otherwise!

(Grow up, Super! No wonder you can't be taken seriously - you're rapidly degenerating into a TJ wannabee!)

As for not being a Lady because of her arrogance, perhaps she should hand her title back eh?

Hillary Can Win
Although I'm a neocon, I watched Hillary Clinton's webcast last night out of curiosity. I think many people don't realize she has an excellent chance of winning. If she gets the democratic nomination, the republicans will need a very strong candidate to win. If women outvote men 1.25 to 1 in the general election, Hillary Clinton can win by a large margin. She would become the first woman president of the United States.

Dork!
Wow! You left wing nuts are insane. As usual, you don't get it.

How about I stipulate you're right, she's more of a standard autocrat with a cult following than a principled Marxist.

Do you honestly think I give a rats ass if I'm "taken seriously" by the left wing robots that troll this board?

You "sound" like Eric aka Fortunato, Lemuel. Worry about your own public perception.

Quickest climb-down on record!
haha! So you've already backed down on your hysterical description of HRC as a Leninist!

Robots? haha! Your childish 'Leninist' jibe is just that - a knee-jerk insult because you can't arrive at a grown-up critique.

You're as simple-minded as a Lefty calling Bush a Nazzi or a fascist. Why think when you've got ready-made insults?!

Like I'd give a rat's ass what you think, muppet!

Eric stick with one pseudonym already.
I didn't ask you to think, I already know you're incapable of that. All you guys engage in group-think. Muppet is sort of a freudian slip on your part, since not a one of you is capable of acting without directions from your puppet-masters in the DNC, MSM, Daily Kos... etc.

So its not like ANY of you are going to give up your Hillary-Delusions and examine her in depth. Her ideolody (its takes a village) is inane nonsense-but its implemementation (let me gather a few hundred of my closest allies in Jackson Hole Wyoming to establish a rube goldberg device full of draconian provisions, without benefit of public debate) to take over healthcare, despite the fact that I'm a lawyer with no experience providing care, administration or finance.

Its only the left that obsesses about being liked, in fact the more you make these types of feeble posts - the more I know I'm under your skins.

No she can't
Too much baggage and sooner or later she will have to face tough questions and actually debate her opponents face to face. When she has done so in the past she has fallen flat.

Hillary is surrounded by a wall of advisors and image consultants and her opinions move as the political winds blow. She wears a crucifix for photo ops to show her religion and her attempts to appear as a Hawk have now soured the rabid anti-war loons on the left. When the time comes it will be interesting to see which face solidifies.

Just because she is a woman does not mean that women will vote for her. Many women dislike the way she handled Bill's little transgressions and dislike her policy. Women, in general, tend to be the toughest judges of other women.

It would be amusing if she spoke as Maggie did (damn I miss that woman in the political arena!) but she is only mouthing the words and wouldn't grasp the strength it would take to live those words.

Eric stick with one pseudonym already. Minus typo
I didn't ask you to think, I already know you're incapable of that. All you guys engage in group-think. Muppet is sort of a freudian slip on your part, since not a one of you is capable of acting without directions from your puppet-masters in the DNC, MSM, Daily Kos... etc.

So its not like ANY of you are going to give up your Hillary-Delusions and examine her in depth. Her ideolody (its takes a village) is inane nonsense-but its implemementation (let me gather a few hundred of my closest allies in Jackson Hole Wyoming to establish a rube goldberg device full of draconian provisions, without benefit of public debate) to take over healthcare, despite the fact that I'm a lawyer with no experience providing care, administration or finance is pure unaccountable autocracy-which is the essential feature all socialism.

Its only the left that obsesses about being liked, in fact the more you make these types of feeble posts - the more I know I'm under your skins.

Its not a question of many woman
I think he is making a good point. She will draw the vast majority of votes.

She will also draw the vast majority of liberal votes. Right now, that out numbers.

Get ready to see her President.

not a chance in ....
she's got to get through the primary first. if she takes a stance that'll win her the primary she *wont* win the general election. she's got to pander to the Democrat base to get the nod, if she does that she won't be moderate enough. and, obviously, if she doesnt win the primary thats end of discussion.

unfortunately that means (if both canidates are legitamte/worthy) we're looking at McCain vs Edwards

No Subject
>"I think he is making a good point. She will draw the vast majority of votes."

Why is this? You have a long way to go to prove this and an even longer way to go to get to the actual vote.

>"She will also draw the vast majority of liberal votes. Right now, that out numbers."

Just today some of the biggest Hollywood liberals Speilberg and Geffen through their support behind Obama. Hilary is going to have a fight on her hands just to get the nomination. Many a liberal pundit is saying that Hilary might not have what it takes to win the nomination considering her "centrist" leanings.

The nomination isn't a lock yet and she just has to convince her own party right now. That does not bode well for her getting a majority of the nation behind her. What the Democratic majority does in the time before elections will also reflect on her. She better hope they get their act together.

Not to mention that liberals are not a majority of voters.

>"Get ready to see her President."

Get ready to be disappointed. This will not happen and I wish I could put a ton of money on that prediction. This is just another case of counting chickens before they are hatched.

Is Irony Lady really independent?
History is telling us that all President of U.S. are really dancing on tune of Jew lobby. Lobby of Jew is so strong that they decide which man should be President.
If by chance or by blissing of Jew lobby Mrs Hillary may be President but can she take all action independentlly, I say impossible.Can Hillary withdraw army from Iraq?Can she stop help to Isreal? Can she allow Iran to build atomic power?If she do this Iam happilly call her Irony Lady

Nothing like some delusion to lighten the mood
Ah, the Jew lobby. Is there anything they don't control? They keep the President firmly under thumb, they keep US troops in Iraq, they help Israel oppress those poor Arabs, and they prevent those peaceful, moderate Iranians from building atomic "power".

Indeed, one wonders how Iran will find the resources to generate electricity in their country without atomic power.

Thanks Rag. I always love a humorous post from the anti-semetic population in this forum.

Keep digging!
"So its not like ANY of you are going to give up your Hillary-Delusions and examine her in depth."

First, where have I said I support Hilary? 'Nowhere' is the short answer! I find her typical of the post-modern politician scrambling in the dirt for votes. She's clearly willing to say anything to be elected and her present unprincipled strategy will see further zig-zags until she comes a cropper having alienated much of her base.
Say what you like about Lenin and Thatcher but they weren't unprincipled!

In depth? So you've finally moved on from petulant personal attacks to scratching the surface of your subject? About time!

Let's recap since the smoke from your keyboard is befuddling your brain and the steam from your ears is retarding your spelling.

You said Hils is a Leninist.

I pointed out the obvious - she isn't.

You respond with more juvenile nonsense and blather on about health care being 'socialist'. Jesus! Marx and Lenin would be turning in their graves/mausoleum! (Your understanding of the essence of Leninism is lost on you. Since you have a visceral hatred of her and all things Clinton you can't provide a level-headed critique. Carry on shadow-boxing with those Cold War phantoms, geez!)
If you're going to use labels as insults at least have a handle on what they mean.

"I didn't ask you to think, I already know you're incapable of that. All you guys engage in group-think."

Are you making s*** up now? As for 'group-think' - I know you're only playing to the gallery with your 'Leninist' and 'socialist' name-calling. A minority - the rest of your angst-ridden fellow-travellers - will fall for it. More fool them!

"Its only the left that obsesses about being liked, in fact the more you make these types of feeble posts - the more I know I'm under your skins."

If I wanted to be liked I wouldn't post on here. You, on the other hand, prefer mutual back-scratching in your little comfort zone. How reassuring for you!

Please clarify
You say "Too much baggage and sooner or later she will have to face tough questions and actually debate her opponents face to face. When she has done so in the past she has fallen flat."

I'm not much of a Hilary fan, but I don't recall any baggage she carries. Could you summarize, for those of us who haven't drunk the koolaid?

Also please point me toward debates she has flunked. I don't recall any.

Were she to run it's obvious that the right wing will all vote against her. The left, having little choice, will vote for her-- as will most of the center unless the R's find a really striking candidate. And as of the moment, none exists. Giuliani, perhaps, could run well against Hilary.

What would compel me to vote against her, even though I dislike the way she panders for everyone's vote? Chuck Hagel would. In a toe to toe contest I'd rather see him as our president. He's a straight shooter and very well informed.

I will stand by this
She is a Leninist and I stand by it. HRC is no Thatcher, she is a shrill socialist who, once elected, will move rapidly toenact more confiscatory taxation programs, crush opposition with Leninist actions like the Fairness Doctrine and the IRS as a tool of political intimidation, just like they did when Bill was president. MT was a champion of free markets. She de-nationalized British Steel making it profitable. She was a hawk who stood resolute against the 5th column of pacifist leftist who opposed Reagans confronting the Soviets. HRC has no such free market leanings. Her socialized health care plans make that well known as well as her comments on under capitalized businesses. HRC has no intent to stand resolute against any enemy. In fact, BC proved that in the face of opposition they turn and run. The comparison of HRC to MT is laughable and a insult to MT. HRC should be consider a diferent model, perhaps Livia, wife of Augustus?

Baggage: Bill

You'd be better off with Koolaid than what you've been drinking, smoking & shooting
I'm not much of a Hilary fan, but I don't recall any baggage she carries. Could you summarize, for those of us who haven't drunk the koolaid?

Bill, travelgate, Craig Livingstone, It takes a village, just about anything she said from the time she was an undergrad to "tea and cookies", Rose Law Firm, HillaryCare & Ira Magaziner, Commodities Trades, being associated with Wal-Mart (so thats why you aren't much of a fan)..

Now quit free-basing the conveniient white wash stuff.

Try again!
Haven't I just been through this???

I understand you cling to a Cold War mentality to give your visceral hatred of anyone to the left of Bush some sort of ideological justification but calling Clinton a Leninist only serves to make you look ridiculous.

Never since prior to the French Revolution have capitalist social relations been as secure as they are today yet still you bang on about Leninism, the Marxist threat etc etc. Give it a rest for Christ's sake!

What makes me laugh about the 'politics-by-numbers' crowd is their inability to recognise that the Left was defeated - you know '89 and all that! Some of the Left think the old collectivist organisations can be re-built from the empty shells they now are. Some on the Right almost seem to want to want to dust off Vlad, Joe and bring them back from the dead because that's what they're comfortable with. Neither group will get a handle on the present because they're obsessed with living in the past and their comfortable world view.

for the record.
I don't want to see her win.

I am an Edwards supporter.

I tell u, I can see the Liberal Fish just swimmin' in lock step with her...

Superheater . . . .
I was going to post a comment but after reading yours, what could I add. She's a dangerous joke.

Cassius . . . .
Well, make fun of the right wing - they might be funny BUT you, and what you represent, are downright dangerous. Can't you ever get it right?

Les Les Les ...
What do I represent and how's that dangerous?

And yes when SOME of the Right can come up with c*ap like previous posts it's all too easy to take the p***.

That is history not baggage.
Baggage is are the things that actually effect what we are.

I am not sure any of that realy defines who Hillery is, even in the eyes of the electoric.

Bill is the only thing she carries around today.

Correction: The SOVIET UNION was defeated.
The SOVIET UNION was defeated. The left still exists. They always will, since leftist politics is predicated on envy and preys upon the disordered mind.

The left is active and vibrant, they inhabit "green organizations", college campuses, labor unions and other tax and results exempt organizations are teaming with people who just a few decades ago, would have been marching on May day.

Next tell us there's no Mafia or Holocaust.

Leslie. She's dangerous,
But we'd be the victim of the joke.

Gosh! How threatening!!
People you disgree with. Must make your life a living hell. Millions and millions of your fellow citizens, all crypto-commies. Just a tiny number of patriots like yourself who know the truth. And a 'center-left' (wsn't that your phrase?) president Bush to boot. The horror!!! the horror!!!

Whew! Man did that one
smell!
raghunath1 = R_B unleashed

Cold War?
Capitalist Socalist? Hillary IS truly a socialist. It is not about fear, it is about the insult of comparing Hillary to Thatcher. Comparing a icon of free markets and staunch national defense to Hillary Clinton is absurd and typical of the fools who dominate the MSM who play on the ignorance of the masses. It is not hatred. I do not hate like the miserable leftist who troll this site. Hatred is reserved for the Bush haters and the Democratic Underground. I simply stand by my assertation that HRC is a marxist at heart. In fact you ignored my comparison to Augustus' wife which is a far better analogy for HRC than Lady Thatcher.

Hagel?
Oh man, your kidding right? Hagel? As to HRC, she has no baggage because if she wins the primary she will be treated with kid gloves by all the media. Any man who attacks her will be eviscerated in the media. She will not have to address any hard questions, she is above reproach. Sort of like Bill and the boxer question or that idiot who asked Bush to consider us as your children during the Clinton Bush 41 debates.

Lemming's search for irrelevance goes on.
Try posting something other than one of your irrelevant idiotic non-sequitirs. You might also try demanding of yourself what you incessantly demand of others, you know, staying on topic, reading whats written (or as you assert, reading what you SAY), having sources, you know all your normal male (thats Latin for bad, not English "male", nobody would accuse you of masculinity) fide objections.

-oh wait a minute thats signature behavior of the left do what I say (get rid of your car) not what I do (while I jet all over the globe)

Once again, mission accomplished-here's one of our resident leftist asses having another emotional convulsion. I'm glad I'm so important to you that you feel a need to vomit and defecate when you have nothing useful to offer as a response.

And no, I still like girls, so dream on.

Just ask
Any man who attacks her will be eviscerated in the media.

Just ask Rick Lazio- he dared to approach the podium without properly genuflecting and the media went apesh**.

Raghunath1
Somehow, even minus the lack of some letters in "Raghunath", I still expect to be able to rearrange the letters to spell Shicklegruber.

History is Important
I refer you to Mr. Santayana's injunction.

Nope
Nope. Women will vote for Hillary. She can win, especially in the general election which is a 2-way race.

Of course.
I am just saying that a lot of people confuse Baggage and History. They are very different subjects.

Getting a divorce is history. Paying 5,000 a month in child support is Baggage.

Charlsholden
Nope - women will NOT vote for H. It is my belief that most people voting for H are actually voting for Bill. Sort of a way of giving him a third term. Too bad an impeached president is even allowed to come into the White House again, much less live there. You'd think a woman would have a problem being in the Oval Office where her husband screwed Monica and who knows who else. Oh, well, there's NO accounting for taste. Hillary sure knows how to raise children - make them live with a father who is a serial womanizer. Yep - teach 'em young that you will do anything for power.

pot, kettle
What issues??? You have none. All you have is anger.

i mean, you come up with the idea that Hillary is a Leninist, and Bush is a center leftist. If someone says what?? You can't back up what you say: all you can do is call people who disagree with you names.

regarding 'having sources' -- why not presenting some - one showing how, for example, Hilary is a leninist?

>Once again, mission accomplished-here's one of our resident leftist asses having another emotional convulsion. I'm glad I'm so important to you that you feel a need to vomit and defecate when you have nothing useful to offer as a response.

It's not me spouting hate and anger.

Really? I said try not to just puke.
What exactly then motivates you to write "blow me". Is it just insanity? I see no need to resort to such peurility. You can't complete because you're a wannabee and your words expose you as a pretender. You're constantly nipping at the real deals with ridiculous criticisms that your own rants don't meet. I put it to the rest of the board. Is Eric a master of gentility?

Hillary wanted to nationalize 1/7 of ther US economy, do it in secret, administer it with a secret, unaccountable commissarate and criminalize escape. Thats a gulag. Of course if this was 80 years ago-she'd be telling us how great it would be to collective the farms.

Bush IS center left. One example he gave us NCLB and let ded kenndy write it. By any OBJECTIVE description, further federalization of education is left of center idea.

The rest you'll have to figure out for yourself. You are programmed robot and while I'm sure if I had to be in your physical presence you could incite rage- I don't hate you.
Ordinarily, I'd find you pathetic, but you're so masochistic I have to assume at a core level, you are malevolent. You promote something worse than hate-indifference. Your are like my heavy bag-something I smack around for exercise and catharsis, nothing more, nothing less.

And ....
Getting a divorce after having the courts issue a PFA because your wife had a series of inexplicable injuries is an indication of a grave moral defect.

Have you heard about Her Royal C's famous tirades?

Pot
And lots of it, might explain you though...

If you talk facts and argue your case, people will reciprocate
If you lose and dissolve into a flood of off-topic abuse, they'll tell you where to go. Sorry your feeling are so delicate. It seem you can dish it out but you can't take it.

>Hillary wanted to nationalize 1/7 of ther US economy, do it in secret, administer it with a secret, unaccountable commissarate and criminalize escape

that seems a gross exaggeration. Can you please source your characerization??

>Bush IS center left. One example he gave us NCLB and let ded kenndy write it. By any OBJECTIVE description, further federalization of education is left of center idea.

He called it 'compassionate conservatism." But you're characterizing the entire administration around one bill. What about his statement that he wanted more supreme court justices like Scalia and Thomas? Or his call to privaize social security? But most account, Bush is the most conserviative President since Reagon - and probably more conservative than Reagan on social issues and taxation. Or would you call Reagan left of center??

>. You are programmed robot and while I'm sure if I had to be in your physical presence you could incite rage- I don't hate you.

I really don't care if you hate me or not. You should have the self-confidence and intelligence to let your ideas speak for themselves, instead of calling people names, like the collection in your last paragraph. All this litany does is tell everyone reading it "I'm insecure. I need to keep telling myself I'm right. The only way I can do this is to call the person I'm talking to names."

>eavy bag-something I smack around for exercise and catharsis, nothing more, nothing less.

Judging by your performance here, that heavy bag must be beating you left and right. Maybe you need a much lighter, beginner bag.

Wow!! that's just so funny
Give up your job and become a standup. Please! You owe it to the world.

LEMUELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Geeze - give it a break. What's with you - are you a nut case or do you just love the negative attention like many 5 year olds?

Hillary is no Margaret......
I have a news flash. Hillary is not Margaret. Margaret saved the UK by fighting against entrenched unions and bureaucrats to end the government owned businesses that were killing the country.

Margaret was a big time Anti-Communist who understood that markets were superior to planned misery.

The last two PMs are only basking in changes made during the Thatcher government.

history is telling us that your ability to see anything past your nose is non-existent
Jews run the US.

I guess there's no need to assume any longer that raghead has anything inside his head.

LESLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Did you have something to say on topic?? did you have a specific response regarding Hillary's status as a Leninist? Bush as a leftist? Lots of capital L's don't really make much of a post or a case.

And if I put in "blow me", I'll be Lemuel
You wrote it, displayed your lack of credentials and I'm going to hammer you with it.

There! I just found my new lightweight punching bag.

Lemming, give it up, your becoming more marginalized every post.

Still nothing to say on topic. Zero. Zip.
But you keep making noise.

And no matter how lightweight a bag you use, it's still going to beat you.

The master speaks!
ANYBODY can beat you.

Have you noticed how many other posters give you a negative response?

Hey, keep dreaming, someday you might have a cogent thought. Roy's almost always wrong, but every once in a while-he gets something right. Dedicated lefty, disordered thinker but still nails it once in a while-and not once has he enjoined somebody "blow me".

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